Wow. 21 pages in and no SLI argument / fights. I'm impressed APC :)

yeah the dispute was tied to a drop request in mot but in that case it might have also been a sub guaranteed built schedule? Either way the dispute was withdrawn.

I doubt it. Management has known about this for a very long time and they just told our training department to expect 110-120 new hires per month. I think hiring is still full-speed ahead.

Preach! Stop seeing yourself as a second tier pilot and try to get your worth

We hired 69 in January and lost 53 for a net of 16 new hires. We need to increase that by a factor of 6 and this announcement just made Firit an even uglier option compared to anywhere else. I'd think it would have to increase, exponentially, to cover to mass exodus off stage left.

You lost 53 (F9 guy here)? I thought our attrition was bad...

And I TOTALLY agree. We both have an uphill battle. I don't know how many NK guys are still around that remember the Franke/Biffle show but it's not necessarily all that great. How they were able to stay in charge is a wonder. Given their track record and the silliness we both experience on a day to day basis on the line, the ultimate focus has GOT to be the contract and getting - what I consider - widebody rates (since we haul more passengers than legacy 75/76). With a me too. Trust me, w/ our combined CASM and increased efficiencies, they can more than afford it. This is the time. The most important aspect of both of our business models at this point has to be growth and retention and despite a merger, that just doesn't happen w/ legacy efforts and their pay scales.

I’ve seen a lot of concern about losing the ability to drop to 0 with Frontiers contract but our min of 60 can be fairly lucrative as well. I had a big example of mine typed up but it was confusing out of context. In short, I started the month with 85 hours in my base MCO but ended the month with 60 in LAS and DEN, didn’t fly a single trip in MCO, and had 22 days off. Oh and I’m still on probation and that was the first month I could hold a line. Buuuuut I hope we keep the 0 hour clause. Sounds cool.

Also with reserve. Yes it’s pretty easy to manipulate your schedule. It has become more difficult as we become short on crews but you can, subject to limitations, swap reserve days, drop reserve days, pick up open time on days off, aggressive reserve (pick up open time trips while on reserve the day prior to their beginning), and get released early. It’s not perfect and I have ideas to improve it but it’s not too bad.


I really hope we stand together and fight to make this place awesome. The prospective seniority lists that circulated today were based on relative % and DOH. I only was 16# apart from each method. In short I (mostly) don’t care how they integrate as long as we keep growing. That will only happen if we take the best of both contracts and make this place the envy of our competition. I look forward to Frontspears continued success.

I’m not going to tell them how to run their business. If they want to run the airline on a skeleton crew that’s fine, I just want to be compensated for my trouble cleaning up their messes for hours every month trying to make sure the plane is legal, we are legal, and our passengers get where they need to go safely. I expect to be paid more than those that have quality resources at their disposal. It’s really that simple.

my mans!!!!! He’s back! deeZ nutz

sorry F9 guys but that is bad. Very bad, lol