Sim Instructors, Sim Check Airmen, and Line Check all stay on the seniority list, and are marked no bids for “Training” for those specific months, they can go back to the line any month they want. Our jobs as line pilots on the seniority list are protected and represented by the union, however there is no language for us regarding compensation regarding training duties, in the sim or on line performing OE or line checks. That said we have very good people in charge of sim checks and standards so it’s not one of those places you don’t want to be. However, collectively negotiating our rates isn’t something that the union handles; quite honestly it needs to.

I could be off in my recollection, but I think Alaska allowed arbitration in their CBA. Virgin I don’t think had a CBA.

Instructors were approached multiple times in negotiations over crafting training language. There was a group that didn’t want to be included in the contract. I’m going to guess they didn’t want to have handcuffs placed on them in respect to max hrs, trading slots amongst themselves, ect…. Having said that I agree, they need to be included.

Correct.

Filler and *******.

AA is in the ****tiest financial position of anyone, and we fully expect a new contract soon (whether that happens or not who knows, but regardless we expect it) The company has already agreed to significant gains, it just remains to be seen what that ends up looking like.

Point is, you can't run or expand the airline without pilots, and in today's environment the only way to keep classes full is for the company to open the pocketbook.

True.

And others have said, not my F’in problem where the money comes from, let Bendo beg for cash at the red lights. Pilots are more expensive, that’s their problem. Just like in years past when contracts were gutted and we had a surplus of pilots was our problem.

FUPM

Damn, that’s twice we’ve agreed now. That’s almost scary.

But yeah, if it’s really a better business model it ought to be able to support a competitive pay scale - even for new hires.

McDonalds was forced to increase pay to $20/hr in some spots to get workers….McDonalds. So if Ronald McDonald can afford these raises out of necessity, no different.

100% agree👆👆👆
they still try to find cheap ways to solve the problem. ( creativity is important, listen to the market and think of new ways to tell our stories……) WTF is this

My neighbor is a cop, and before I step on my d*ck talking smack about cops, he’s not the front lines, chasing down scum, dodging bullets, getting attacked by meth’d up tweakers cop.

He’s the back office, light duty, hey is it possible to get the hazelnut flavor coffee mate creamer cop. He’s the rack up the overtime working the county fair, Boy Scout parade, and weekend outlet mall parking lot cop. He’s the almost got us kicked out of the shooting range for flashing innocent civilians, and me, one too many times. I bought him a rape whistle for Xmas, for those who get the reference.

With overtime and benefits, he pulled down over 230k last year. It’s all available online.

Either we get paid this contract or I’m quitting and joining the sheriffs office.