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gatorbait77 02-12-2022 01:55 PM
Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 3371374)
Wishful thinking for the NK side of this equation. 2 of our 3 negotiators are from the same 'discount pilot' mentality that delivered our subpar 2018 contract.

If the joint negotiating team doesn't come through then we vote down the JCBA and demand that both MEC's replace the negotiating committee. If the MEC's refuse to recall the negotiators then we demand through our LEC's a recall of the MEC's. My crystal ball says that this is exactly what we will have to do.
i wasn’t here for 2018 but I’ve been reading all the posts between the two pilot groups on each carriers forum page and I’m excited and happy to see the positive comments and the strive for nothing but the best. I hope we all flood our respective negotiating committees email address with our wish lists and let it be known loud and clear what it is we want. I’m asking for the moon and nothing less.

Aero1900 02-12-2022 02:51 PM
Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 3371374)
Wishful thinking for the NK side of this equation. 2 of our 3 negotiators are from the same 'discount pilot' mentality that delivered our subpar 2018 contract.

If the joint negotiating team doesn't come through then we vote down the JCBA and demand that both MEC's replace the negotiating committee. If the MEC's refuse to recall the negotiators then we demand through our LEC's a recall of the MEC's. My crystal ball says that this is exactly what we will have to do.
My crystal ball says the JCBA gets voted in on roughly the same lines as the current contracts. (At F9 I think ours passed by 72% if I recall correctly)

sioux8ships 02-12-2022 05:17 PM
Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 3371374)
Wishful thinking for the NK side of this equation. 2 of our 3 negotiators are from the same 'discount pilot' mentality that delivered our subpar 2018 contract.

If the joint negotiating team doesn't come through then we vote down the JCBA and demand that both MEC's replace the negotiating committee. If the MEC's refuse to recall the negotiators then we demand through our LEC's a recall of the MEC's. My crystal ball says that this is exactly what we will have to do.
Getting the LECs to listen and recall will take a miracle. Most of the reps have been put in place and backed by the MEC. It’s a good ole boys club. Why do you think we’ve had basically the same negotiators for so long?? It would be easier to find an honest politician in Washington.

Both pilot groups need to demand their voices be heard! No better time than now for us!

OpenClimb 02-12-2022 05:34 PM
Originally Posted by sioux8ships (Post 3371456)
Getting the LECs to listen and recall will take a miracle. Most of the reps have been put in place and backed by the MEC. It’s a good ole boys club. Why do you think we’ve had basically the same negotiators for so long?? It would be easier to find an honest politician in Washington.

Both pilot groups need to demand their voices be heard! No better time than now for us!
Yep. This is true at F9. If you don't have the support of the majority of the existing union representatives, you won't be elected to any position. There are approximately 2-1/2 people involved with our union at F9 that I have any confidence in at all. They are routinely out-pussied by the majority.

FlyingDad65 02-12-2022 05:37 PM
Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3371055)
the same engineers that made the 737 MAX are going to be the ones that make it happen, right?
It will happen. Unfortunately all it takes is a future generation that is used to and comfortable with driverless cars.

TransWorld 02-12-2022 05:58 PM
Originally Posted by FlyingDad65 (Post 3371462)
It will happen. Unfortunately all it takes is a future generation that is used to and comfortable with driverless cars.
I told my dentist I expect to walk into her office one day and see a robot drilling and filling my cavity. Then I know pilotless planes are on the way.

Moonbeam 02-12-2022 06:05 PM
Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3371473)
I told my dentist I expect to walk into her office one day and see a robot drilling and filling my cavity. Then I know pilotless planes are on the way.
Don't get cataract surgery then. Because then you will know.

TransWorld 02-12-2022 06:18 PM
Originally Posted by Moonbeam (Post 3371480)
Don't get cataract surgery then. Because then you will know.
I have no intention of getting rid of my Cadillac. I like driving it.

Halon1211 02-12-2022 07:39 PM
Originally Posted by FlyingDad65 (Post 3371462)
It will happen. Unfortunately all it takes is a future generation that is used to and comfortable with driverless cars.
By that time I’ll be dead.

TransWorld 02-13-2022 11:35 AM
Originally Posted by Moonbeam (Post 3371480)
Don't get cataract surgery then. Because then you will know.
If I understand, cataract surgery is all automated. There is not an ophthalmologist to be found in the building. That is what I hear you saying.


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