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fcoolaiddrinker 02-07-2022 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3368311)
Managements have shown they are often quite content to operate two separate Airlines for long periods of time. It’s certainly some leverage but I think you are overrating it. Think USAir and American.


f9 is short over 100 managers so I don't think that’s the plan. Probably led to our IT meltdown earlier today to some extent. They just let several quality individuals walk out the door for no apparent reason during the middle of the largest labor shortage in a generation while trying to double in size. It made zero sense until today.

gonyon 02-07-2022 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3368311)
Managements have shown they are often quite content to operate two separate Airlines for long periods of time. It’s certainly some leverage but I think you are overrating it. Think USAir and American.


I think this time is different because of the labor scarcity. They need to polish this place up quickly if they want to grow

more windshear 02-07-2022 03:40 PM

Y’all crack me up. “I’ve been treated great by f9/nk crews etc…” isn’t that genuinely true across the board? Lol. Secondly, y’all keep saying “said legacy plus one”, at the end of the day we are still spirit and frontier, the 9th grade team of high school, not even junior varsity. Yes, I want all of those and then some, but let’s be realistic on where we are in our careers.

DWC CAP10 USAF 02-07-2022 03:46 PM

“Spirit as surviving entity”
 
https://m.marketscreener.com/quote/s...aHuZbKRkGRElYI

Lakeaffect 02-07-2022 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3368311)
Managements have shown they are often quite content to operate two separate Airlines for long periods of time. It’s certainly some leverage but I think you are overrating it. Think USAir and American.

American and USAIr were not loosing pilots in droves to other carriers. It was a completely different time. Maybe I’m too optimistic, but I think it’s gonna be a lot different than that comparison.

gonyon 02-07-2022 03:53 PM

What is the min days off for line holders at f9?

sobo 02-07-2022 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by gonyon (Post 3368348)
What is the min days off for line holders at f9?

12, but I never had a line with less than 14 (due to training) IIRC.

In the last 12 months of my career at Frontier I had on average about 18 days off a month and ~90 hours of credit (due to the 125% override and softpay)

The flying (at least out of MIA) was very efficient doing our “turn” model.

Mulligan Please 02-07-2022 04:13 PM

Forget everything you’ve ever known with previous mergers. Quit trying to predict. Just either accept it or move on. 3 years from now we might have a better picture. If all the whiz kids on here actually knew it all then maybe listen to them. Just wake up look at your family, give them the biggest kisses ever and repeat. Every moment at home just repeat. Life is bigger than this.

SSlow 02-07-2022 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by sobo (Post 3368356)
The flying (at least out of MIA) was very efficient doing our “turn” model.

Hopefully they keep it like that and throw in the NK turns. It would be nice for mid seniority line pilots to have a shot at a few turns a month during banker hours.

Fah2 02-07-2022 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by AndroidPilot (Post 3368309)
I second that question. Could somebody at Spirit elaborate what dropping to zero is all about without all the acronyms and jargon? I just know at Spirit those guys are able to drop relatively soon after their first or second year with ease.

Going into each month, the company stipulates minimum number of reserves for each day of the month. We can view this on a calendar that shows this minimum number and the actual number of reserves each day.

If the actual number of reserve pilots is equal to or greater than the minimum, the day is green.

If the number of reserves is less than the minimum, it is red.

If a line holder has a trip they do not wish to fly, and each day of that trip is “green” on the calendar, you can drop the trip into open time up to noon two days prior. You can do this with as many trips as you like.

Other line pilots can pick these up or swap up to noon two days prior, otherwise reserve pilots cover it. Reserve pilots cannot pick up open time.

After schedules are awarded, there is an initial open time bid where pilots can drop (or swap or pick up) which goes in straight seniority order.

Once daily open time is opened, drops (or swaps/pick ups) are first come, first served.

The grid can fluctuate through the month as open time is picked up or dropped, however the contract stipulates at least 75% of the month must start as “green”.

*if dropping puts you below the 72 guarantee credit, you make the credit of what you fly. If you drop to zero, you make nothing, essentially a month of OFF days.


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