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Originally Posted by cantflylist
(Post 3368035)
Unfortunately, FK = Kelowna Flightcraft Air Charter from Canadia
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Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear
(Post 3367967)
ufff I can see this being a catalyst for NK guys to give up red green days.
then again i also said this merger combo wouldnt happen. that value airline menu gets cheaper by the day |
Originally Posted by FahQ2
(Post 3368023)
Ability to drop to zero and practicality to are different things. While the “giving stuff up” sentiment is the wrong way to think, combining certain things can have adverse effects.
For example the first 18 hours of daily open time is already a feeding frenzy which bogs down flica to a crawl, now add in all the reserve pilots into the mix who are also trying to snap up open time. I’m not saying reserve pick up is a bad idea on its face, just that there is a lot to be considered. |
Originally Posted by Fyziksisphun
(Post 3367835)
Got it, thanks. I prioritize QOL things like schedule flexibility above pay (if I prioritized pay I'd simply go elsewhere). Does Frontier have any advantages on that front?
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Originally Posted by saltbae
(Post 3368045)
Frontier pilots can trade reserve days for open time trips as well.. which is really nice
NK you cannot pickup diddly - on R days or on off days |
Straight time gravy. Great.
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These integrations are a MARATHON and not a sprint guys/gals. Don’t let yourselves get too high or too low and focus on what’s important.
Fly the airplane and keep safety at the forefront of what we do daily. It’s easy to say and hard to do with all of the uncertainty that will be a part of your near future. In reality, as a line pilot, you don’t have a lot of say other than letting your reps know your wishes for the upcoming JCBA. Then when it does come you have your vote and that is your voice. As for the SLI please download the ALPA Merger policy and get to know that document. This will be the driving force that will control SLI talks down the road. There will be NO staples……There will be NO DOH list. This is not what F9 pilots chose or SPA pilots for that matter. We fly and they manage 👍🏻 I have read the positive comments from both sides and it’s great to see. Your groups collective unity will make it go relatively smoothly or be an aspain (sp) like nobody’s business. Mergers are not an employee friendly endeavor and unfortunately I know firsthand how those conversations go at the dinner table. Have an outlet for your stress and use it often just don’t kick the dog too much 😂 I HATE mergers and in the end you will too…… Handle the threats and Fly safe !! |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3367906)
Both pilot groups are ALPA which means they will merge via ALPA merger policy. Who is buying who is not relevant. ALPA merger policy will require the two sides to meet and attempt to negotiate a agreement. When they fail to do that which is the norm it will go to binding arbitration. Separate from that both sides have to negotiate a joint contract with management. In addition a constructive date of merger is normally applied as off the date intent to merge is announced. Pilots hired after that date normally go date of hire.
Expect it to mostly be relative seniority. Possible to have some longevity weighting by whichever side benefits from longevity (NK) - this will likely be the biggest bone of contention. |
Originally Posted by Excargodog
(Post 3367959)
The big win is the fact that to pull this off management MUST get a JCBA. They can’t drag it out for a few years like they normally do, benefitting from pay rates negotiated 5+ years previously. They need to get things done. And in this compels them to come to the table and get a deal promptly. The pilots need to hold out for the best QOL provisions of EACH contract.
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Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker
(Post 3368043)
res ability to pickup was a large gain for reserves and a slight negative for lineholders. Imo. I’m a lineholder and viewed it as an overall gain. We also have a res fdo line that the language was designed for. It allowed us to maintain the ability to credit well over 200 in a vac month. So the res pickup had to be available to do that. Fdo is a sudo res line. 12 off 18 on with caveats. You can also back them together 24 days off. Apply vac to either or both sides 42 days off.
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