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-   -   NK/F9 Merger Announced (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/spirit/136597-nk-f9-merger-announced.html)

fcoolaiddrinker 02-07-2022 11:06 AM
Originally Posted by Andy (Post 3368069)
This post should be bookmarked. I've got the feeling this post is going to age poorly unless the majority of pilots are willing to take a sub standard contract. I don't see Franke offering an industry standard contract.
Im just hopeful you guys can fix your vacation and training pay asap so that garbage isn’t forced on us in some kind of arbitration scenario. Lol. Sorry couldn’t resist.

pilot124 02-07-2022 11:08 AM
Originally Posted by Lakeaffect (Post 3367846)
you can pick up on reserve? We can’t.
Yes you can pick up OT on rsv (days off) here at F9. If you are over 82 hours credit you get 125% over guarantee. Over 82 AND pick up premium it's 1.875% above guarantee. A 12 hour premium then pays 22.5 hours above guarantee. RSV life is good if you live in base and pick up a trip or 2 on your days off.

Lakeaffect 02-07-2022 11:10 AM
Originally Posted by Andy (Post 3368069)
This post should be bookmarked. I've got the feeling this post is going to age poorly unless the majority of pilots are willing to take a sub standard contract. I don't see Franke offering an industry standard contract.
Unless there’s a recession or one of the big boys files bankruptcy and slashes pilot rates, Frankie really doesn’t have a choice if he wants the merger to happen. the merger can’t be finalized until a JCBA is agreed upon. Frankies not that dumb. We don’t have to accept sub standard, we have more leverage than any merger maybe ever, at least in the last 20 years.

Tranquility 02-07-2022 11:43 AM
Does this mean I won’t get my quid??? :D

4WDriver 02-07-2022 11:57 AM
Vacation
 
What is the vacation credit at NK? F9 currently gets 4 weeks with 5 hours credit per day.

skigambia 02-07-2022 12:02 PM
Originally Posted by Lakeaffect (Post 3368088)
Unless there’s a recession or one of the big boys files bankruptcy and slashes pilot rates, Frankie really doesn’t have a choice if he wants the merger to happen. the merger can’t be finalized until a JCBA is agreed upon. Frankies not that dumb. We don’t have to accept sub standard, we have more leverage than any merger maybe ever, at least in the last 20 years.
I'm not sure that's true. The merger is a financial transaction only requiring approval from the DOT, DOJ and shareholders. The JCBA won't be involved in any of that process. After that's approved the process of a acquiring a single operating certificate, SLI and JCBA can commence.
Our leverage will be more due to the current state of the industry.

TankerToad17 02-07-2022 12:03 PM
Originally Posted by samimifs (Post 3367838)
I was just recently offered a CJO from spirit..?
Does this change anything??
Same. My initial reaction was just a lot of "uhhhhhh" this morning. After reading up on it (news articles, forums, etc.) I feel good about moving forward with the Spirit class date. As a guy who was planning to move down to one of the Florida bases, in the short-term I don't think this announcement changes anything. In the long-term, however, I feel like there are some unknowns which would naturally make anyone nervous. I sincerely hope (and think) that it'll be an overall improvement for both pilot groups in terms of pay, qol, contract language, etc.

Lakeaffect 02-07-2022 12:04 PM
Originally Posted by 4WDriver (Post 3368123)
What is the vacation credit at NK? F9 currently gets 4 weeks with 5 hours credit per day.
So you get 4 weeks and 140hrs? Is that from year 1??

spirit is:

year 1-5 = 2 weeks/56hrs
year 6-10 = 3 weeks/84hrs
year 11-15 = 3weeks/98 hrs
16-20 = 4weeks/112 hrs
21-25 = 4weeks/126hrs
26+ = 5weeks/140hrs

Cyio 02-07-2022 12:07 PM
Originally Posted by TankerToad17 (Post 3368131)
Same. My initial reaction was just a lot of "uhhhhhh" this morning. After reading up on it (news articles, forums, etc.) I feel good about moving forward with the Spirit class date. As a guy who was planning to move down to one of the Florida bases, in the short-term I don't think this announcement changes anything. In the long-term, however, I feel like there are some unknowns which would naturally make anyone nervous. I sincerely hope (and think) that it'll be an overall improvement for both pilot groups in terms of pay, qol, contract language, etc.
If your intentions are to move to Florida, this really changes nothing. Both airlines have bases there now and we will certainly have bases there after this is done. Its perhaps the safest bet you could make.

cantflylist 02-07-2022 12:08 PM
Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker (Post 3368081)
Im just hopeful you guys can fix your vacation and training pay asap so that garbage isn’t forced on us in some kind of arbitration scenario. Lol. Sorry couldn’t resist.
hope you can get hotels for your NH ;)


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