NK/F9 Merger Announced
02-07-2022 | 04:38 PM
#171
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Y’all crack me up. “I’ve been treated great by f9/nk crews etc…” isn’t that genuinely true across the board? Lol. Secondly, y’all keep saying “said legacy plus one”, at the end of the day we are still spirit and frontier, the 9th grade team of high school, not even junior varsity. Yes, I want all of those and then some, but let’s be realistic on where we are in our careers.
This kind of attitude gets you shiit and it exactly why we have the contracts we have. You do more with less everyday compared to other airlines in the same planes. There is absolutely zero reason we cannot achieve the highest paying narrow body contract (not some nonsense like sun country dos+5) and absolute best work rules. Yes they can drag their feet and stall as usual and yes they can try and keep us separate for as long as possible but if they want to grow and attract and retain pilots they are going to have to go big. We get to decide. Know when to hold them and know when to fold them. They are going to bluff all the way to the end.
02-07-2022 | 04:46 PM
#172
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If they're good for a 150% bonus for constantly F'ing this place up then 150% of my base salary is my starting ratification incentive number as well assuming the new JCBA also puts our new contract ahead of AK and B6. Otherwise, they can pound sand.
02-07-2022 | 04:50 PM
#173
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Going into each month, the company stipulates minimum number of reserves for each day of the month. We can view this on a calendar that shows this minimum number and the actual number of reserves each day.
If the actual number of reserve pilots is equal to or greater than the minimum, the day is green.
If the number of reserves is less than the minimum, it is red.
If a line holder has a trip they do not wish to fly, and each day of that trip is “green” on the calendar, you can drop the trip into open time up to noon two days prior. You can do this with as many trips as you like.
Other line pilots can pick these up or swap up to noon two days prior, otherwise reserve pilots cover it. Reserve pilots cannot pick up open time.
After schedules are awarded, there is an initial open time bid where pilots can drop (or swap or pick up) which goes in straight seniority order.
Once daily open time is opened, drops (or swaps/pick ups) are first come, first served.
The grid can fluctuate through the month as open time is picked up or dropped, however the contract stipulates at least 75% of the month must start as “green”.
*if dropping puts you below the 72 guarantee credit, you make the credit of what you fly. If you drop to zero, you make nothing, essentially a month of OFF days.
If the actual number of reserve pilots is equal to or greater than the minimum, the day is green.
If the number of reserves is less than the minimum, it is red.
If a line holder has a trip they do not wish to fly, and each day of that trip is “green” on the calendar, you can drop the trip into open time up to noon two days prior. You can do this with as many trips as you like.
Other line pilots can pick these up or swap up to noon two days prior, otherwise reserve pilots cover it. Reserve pilots cannot pick up open time.
After schedules are awarded, there is an initial open time bid where pilots can drop (or swap or pick up) which goes in straight seniority order.
Once daily open time is opened, drops (or swaps/pick ups) are first come, first served.
The grid can fluctuate through the month as open time is picked up or dropped, however the contract stipulates at least 75% of the month must start as “green”.
*if dropping puts you below the 72 guarantee credit, you make the credit of what you fly. If you drop to zero, you make nothing, essentially a month of OFF days.
This is essentially how frontiers system works FWIW, with exception to the “seniority” based open time part, we got rid of that with PBS.
The only difference is how many reserves are needed for coverage (f9 is based on some archaic system revolving around Denver) and how low you can actually drop to. (60/70 for frontier, depending on the month).
Anyone that says frontier doesn’t have schedule QOL is splitting hairs because you still have a ton of flexibility at frontier, but obviously you can always hope for more.
02-07-2022 | 05:03 PM
#175
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Per the above, all of Spirit's Executive officers will receive a bonus equal to 150% of their yearly base salary and target short term bonus.
If they're good for a 150% bonus for constantly F'ing this place up then 150% of my base salary is my starting ratification incentive number as well assuming the new JCBA also puts our new contract ahead of AK and B6. Otherwise, they can pound sand.
If they're good for a 150% bonus for constantly F'ing this place up then 150% of my base salary is my starting ratification incentive number as well assuming the new JCBA also puts our new contract ahead of AK and B6. Otherwise, they can pound sand.
02-07-2022 | 05:20 PM
#176
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This kind of attitude gets you shiit and it exactly why we have the contracts we have. You do more with less everyday compared to other airlines in the same planes. There is absolutely zero reason we cannot achieve the highest paying narrow body contract (not some nonsense like sun country dos+5) and absolute best work rules. Yes they can drag their feet and stall as usual and yes they can try and keep us separate for as long as possible but if they want to grow and attract and retain pilots they are going to have to go big. We get to decide. Know when to hold them and know when to fold them. They are going to bluff all the way to the end.
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02-07-2022 | 05:22 PM
#177
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This is essentially how frontiers system works FWIW, with exception to the “seniority” based open time part, we got rid of that with PBS.
The only difference is how many reserves are needed for coverage (f9 is based on some archaic system revolving around Denver) and how low you can actually drop to. (60/70 for frontier, depending on the month).
Anyone that says frontier doesn’t have schedule QOL is splitting hairs because you still have a ton of flexibility at frontier, but obviously you can always hope for more.
The only difference is how many reserves are needed for coverage (f9 is based on some archaic system revolving around Denver) and how low you can actually drop to. (60/70 for frontier, depending on the month).
Anyone that says frontier doesn’t have schedule QOL is splitting hairs because you still have a ton of flexibility at frontier, but obviously you can always hope for more.
02-07-2022 | 05:23 PM
#178
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This is essentially how frontiers system works FWIW, with exception to the “seniority” based open time part, we got rid of that with PBS.
The only difference is how many reserves are needed for coverage (f9 is based on some archaic system revolving around Denver) and how low you can actually drop to. (60/70 for frontier, depending on the month).
Anyone that says frontier doesn’t have schedule QOL is splitting hairs because you still have a ton of flexibility at frontier, but obviously you can always hope for more.
The only difference is how many reserves are needed for coverage (f9 is based on some archaic system revolving around Denver) and how low you can actually drop to. (60/70 for frontier, depending on the month).
Anyone that says frontier doesn’t have schedule QOL is splitting hairs because you still have a ton of flexibility at frontier, but obviously you can always hope for more.
A lot of pilots are at Spirit because they don’t want to have to work a full schedule every month. You can run a business and fly part-time - I know of several pilots who do. You can work a 200% premium pay trip that knocks your days off down by 4 in one month and translate that to 8 days off next month for same net pay. That’s what I do. Shoot, when you get to your target retirement age you can drop every trip until you turn 65. There’s nothing that says we have to come in to work a certain amount.
02-07-2022 | 05:26 PM
#180
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Yes they can drag their feet and stall as usual and yes they can try and keep us separate for as long as possible but if they want to grow and attract and retain pilots they are going to have to go big. We get to decide. Know when to hold them and know when to fold them. They are going to bluff all the way to the end.
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