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2022: Year of the Spirit Stepping Stone

Old 02-12-2022 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
At a ULCC you can make over $250k a year while only working half the month. Plus you can easily hit the IRS limits on your 401k retiring with millions in the bank. Sounds like a great career to me.
Prior to COVID the ULCC model in the US was doing pretty well, growing market share, and working towards the sort of market share that ULCCs have in Europe:



The decrease (if not demise) of the regional model is going to hurt legacies far more than anyone else. Yes, I know they can pick up that flying with NBs that have a lower CASM, yada yada, so can the ULCCs. But legacy managements aren’t stupid. If they thought they could have done that without it costing them more, they would have eliminated regional codesharing a decade ago. Losing regional flying may be a plus for ULCCs that pick up those regional routes, but it won’t be for the legacies. And the gates freed up by declining numbers of regional aircraft open new markets fir hub to hub competition.

We are headed into interesting times.
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Old 02-12-2022 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
At a ULCC you can make over $250k a year while only working half the month. Plus you can easily hit the IRS limits on your 401k retiring with millions in the bank. Sounds like a great career to me.
$250 isn’t that much money anymore. And half the month isn’t as great as it sounds if you’re gone all day and night that half and your peers are making a lot more and working less.
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Old 02-12-2022 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
Southwest canceled over 2000 flights last month. They aren't some rainbow on the horizon
Chaos creates cash. Being short and letting the premium flow is the best. Years where we are well staffed are my lowest earning years. The SWA pilots are probably making double what I’m making this year.
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Old 02-12-2022 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by dualinput
Chaos creates cash. Being short and letting the premium flow is the best. Years where we are well staffed are my lowest earning years. The SWA pilots are probably making double what I’m making this year.
Chaos is cash baby! I pray that they never get caught up on staffing at SWA! It’s been ludicrous $ for the number of days worked. Now we just need a new contract with a large increase in rates and many other fixes.
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Old 02-12-2022 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by dualinput
Chaos creates cash. Being short and letting the premium flow is the best. Years where we are well staffed are my lowest earning years. The SWA pilots are probably making double what I’m making this year.

I’m a 6 year CA at NK on reserve living in base, my friend who is a 8 year FO at SWA holding a line in base out earned me by almost $80k last year. That’s nothing to sneeze at.
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Old 02-12-2022 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Skypilotsv1984
I’m a 6 year CA at NK on reserve living in base, my friend who is a 8 year FO at SWA holding a line in base out earned me by almost $80k last year. That’s nothing to sneeze at.
I think half our group either “better than my regional” guys, foreign pilots, or super old top 10% with their heads in the sand have no idea how far behind we are.
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Old 02-12-2022 | 09:32 AM
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Can’t wait to see everyone show up at the picketing events!

Same rhetoric as last time, “I’m not low tier,” “Whatever it takes” etc…

(40 Spirit pilots show up to a picketing event)

Can’t wait to see all this moxie this time!

Once again this pilot group will have to decide if we get the contract we deserve or the contract we earned. I know Frontier shows up in full force
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Old 02-12-2022 | 10:30 AM
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Reserve pilots at SWA get paid. Considering I’ll be on reserve here for a long time it’s very appealing. More days off and more pay. Red eyes and jungle turns have been so much fun…
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Old 02-12-2022 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Once again this pilot group will have to decide if we get the contract we deserve or the contract we earned. I know Frontier shows up in full force
Half of the NK pilot group that will be here for the next picket weren’t even on property in 2017. Like it or not it’s a whole different group and the majority will be newer junior pilots. You fly with them, talk to them about how important this is.

And if those of you who were MIA in 2017 want to sit it out again, I’ll catch a flight out to Denver and walk the line with the F9 pilots.
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Old 02-12-2022 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by FahQ2
Half of the NK pilot group that will be here for the next picket weren’t even on property in 2017. Like it or not it’s a whole different group and the majority will be newer junior pilots. You fly with them, talk to them about how important this is.

And if those of you who were MIA in 2017 want to sit it out again, I’ll catch a flight out to Denver and walk the line with the F9 pilots.
I will be there.
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