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SlimBob 04-08-2022 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by SirHelios (Post 3402699)
The reasons you came to NK are going to die if we don't get and retain pilots. Period. We cannot only hire our way out of this attrition, we need to retain. If you're that worried about a B6 merger, I'd advise to get out now and start accruing seniority at one of the Big3. Good luck! We're all going to need it one way or the other.

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I'm good. The company's attrition is not my problem. When the dust settles we'll all be in a better spot, wherever that may be.

Directautogroup 04-08-2022 08:39 AM

Sprontier, Please!
 
No Bill Franke is a win.

JetBlue signed inaugural ALPA contract and it is superior to our 4th (?) contract at Spirit.

No Bendo would be another win.

todd1200 04-08-2022 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by SlimBob (Post 3402726)
I'm good. The company's attrition is not my problem. When the dust settles we'll all be in a better spot, wherever that may be.

Have you ever spent time at a shrinking airline? The company’s attrition is definitely your problem unless you’re very close to the top of the list. Otherwise, you move up the list and it just shrinks behind you while your overall seniority gets worse and worse.

JulesWinfield 04-08-2022 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by todd1200 (Post 3402760)
Have you ever spent time at a shrinking airline? The company’s attrition is definitely your problem unless you’re very close to the top of the list. Otherwise, you move up the list and it just shrinks behind you while your overall seniority gets worse and worse.

I think what he meant to say is that it is out of his and our control. Management has to figure it out.

CincoDeMayo 04-08-2022 09:15 AM

ORD, DTW, ACY, and DFW CAs. For those still holding these bases, ask yourself if you think JBLU is going to keep these bases open. Having flights and gates in these markets to compete against Legacy hubs isn’t the same as staffing bases there.

F9 merger is the best opportunity to keep the bases we have due to the simple model of how we fly, city pairs.

JBLU might get you some more money hourly but at what cost. Devil is in the details.

putzin 04-08-2022 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3402775)
ORD, DTW, ACY, and DFW CAs. For those still holding these bases, ask yourself if you think JBLU is going to keep these bases open. Having flights and gates in these markets to compete against Legacy hubs isn’t the same as staffing bases there.

F9 merger is the best opportunity to keep the bases we have due to the simple model of how we fly, city pairs.

JBLU might get you some more money hourly but at what cost. Devil is in the details.

BOOM
and stuff

BunkerF16 04-08-2022 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3402775)
ORD, DTW, ACY, and DFW CAs. For those still holding these bases, ask yourself if you think JBLU is going to keep these bases open. Having flights and gates in these markets to compete against Legacy hubs isn’t the same as staffing bases there.

F9 merger is the best opportunity to keep the bases we have due to the simple model of how we fly, city pairs.

JBLU might get you some more money hourly but at what cost. Devil is in the details.

I absolutely believe JB will keep many/most of those bases open. Part of their problem is being so east coast and FLL centric. It's biggest strength is also it's biggest weakness during IROPS. Having most of your eggs tied up in a concentrated area makes it difficult to dig themselves out of those disasters. Having options in the midwest helps and also opens up Jetblue instantly and in greater concentration to areas they have no or very little presence currently.

JulesWinfield 04-08-2022 09:55 AM

I read something in the investor pitch basically saying they want to expand out. It would only
make sense to keep established bases and grow them, but who knows? What do they do with the 170+ Spirit air frames while they’re being retrofit?

PilotBoyToy 04-08-2022 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3402775)
ORD, DTW, ACY, and DFW CAs. For those still holding these bases, ask yourself if you think JBLU is going to keep these bases open. Having flights and gates in these markets to compete against Legacy hubs isn’t the same as staffing bases there.

F9 merger is the best opportunity to keep the bases we have due to the simple model of how we fly, city pairs.

JBLU might get you some more money hourly but at what cost. Devil is in the details.

Showing how to type out of a butt in real time above!

Lakeaffect 04-08-2022 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by KNOTAPILOT (Post 3402586)
Well that’s just not true. Spirit pilots where showing their didn’t want to be dragged down by frontier contract. That is with both pilot groups and companies being pretty similar. You’re now blaming JetBlue pilots that would get shafted with a relative seniority list from being annoyed of losing that seniority? Trust me Jetblue pilots know this isn’t a legacy carrier. We know we aren’t Delta, United, and American. I wouldn’t expect any less from those airline pilots if they were going to lose years of seniority to JetBlue pilots.

This thread is also childish as the company could care less about the opinion of the pilots of who they rather join. I’ve seen some from your group wanting the JetBlue merger more than frontier. I wish you were right though and JetBlue and spirit didn’t mix seems like your hostility and name calling doesn’t help the relationship anymore than a JetBlue pilot defending why he shouldn’t lose years of seniority.

Not that any of us has any say in the matter, but how is keeping your relative seniority equate to loosing seniority? I think you’d be annoyed that you’re not gaining relative seniority.


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