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Aero1900 04-11-2022 05:41 AM


Originally Posted by PrattFan (Post 3403025)
I said this when it was F9/NK and the same applies if it ends up being B6/NK, the JCBA has a far greater impact on all of our careers and futures than how an arbitrator will piece us together. Stop all the d!@k measuring and realize it’s us, all of us, against them. They revel in the notion that we would be fighting each other instead of them.

Absolute truth.

NKSpilot 04-11-2022 05:41 AM


Originally Posted by crash312 (Post 3404257)
Both JB and NK have the same amount of future orders, obviously since NK is smaller theirs is bigger percentage growth....however....precedence per the VA/AS SLI below is they don't really look at future orders.

Unlike future fleet projections which may be too high, too low, or dead on, the size of the fleet on the snapshot date is ascertainable and definite. Using a static fleet analysis as of the snapshot date allows the Board to determine the impact of various formulas for merging the lists without reliance on speculative merger driven fleet size assumptions

Interesting that this same logic doesn't apply when they are forecasting the seniority list out into the future. I guess they have no problem speculating on future attrition, medical outs, retirement age (we've seen that change before), etc.

fcoolaiddrinker 04-11-2022 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by NKSpilot (Post 3404274)
Interesting that this same logic doesn't apply when they are forecasting the seniority list out into the future. I guess they have no problem speculating on future attrition, medical outs, retirement age (we've seen that change before), etc.


Those %’s generally don’t change as a result of the merger where as future aircraft delivery’s/returns can/do. That’s part of the reason for a snapshot. After that date decisions are/can be made based on the new combined company. It also helps filter out one company trying to gain an advantage in the sli by hiring/upgrading a bunch after the snapshot.

TurboFanMan 04-11-2022 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by BeatNavy (Post 3404267)
2-3 years on the 190 and 3.5-6 years on the 320. That’s held fairly steady, the exception being the LGB->LAX displacement bid during covid. But, through all the recent bids it’s mostly back there. Junior 190 CA awarded is Nov 2019 hire. He got awarded it back in august. Most junior awarded 320 CA is July 2017. Their training is I think in September or October.

Thanks for the insight!!

TurboFanMan 04-11-2022 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by crash312 (Post 3404268)
Last bid CA awarded to 8/17 and 5/19 hires (Bus and 190), not sure about 220. Has varied over the years but in recent times relatively close to those numbers.

Appreciate the info!!

PontiusPilot 04-19-2022 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by TurboFanMan (Post 3404320)
Appreciate the info!!

Most junior to hold 190 CA is actually junior to those, but that occurred on the 2021 annual bid. I believe it’s an 11/19 hire.


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