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SoarHigh757 04-08-2022 05:45 AM

Also as a JetBlue pilot, I will say many people on our forum are extreme. Vast majority of pilots I’ve met here are great people. You are of course still entitled to feel the merger is a bad idea, but please don’t judge us from our few “crazy uncles” on the internet :D

Excargodog 04-08-2022 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 3402550)
I think the problem with the ULCC model for the foreseeable future is staffing. The seniority lists are being hired away, recruits are looking elsewhere and new hires are as well.

That’s not changing anytime soon with Franke at the helm or his son I’d imagine. F9 might go one to be the preeminent ULCC, but I suspect the other carriers will let them/us have that market and ask very simply if the deliveries can be staffed.

it’s the regional model that is dying and the most common career path in the future will be CFI to either ULCC or ACMI to legacy. But that’s the future. Right now everybody is going to be thrashing while the regionals die for lack of CAs and the majors struggle (some more than others) for FOs.

nuball5 04-08-2022 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by SoarHigh757 (Post 3402571)
Also as a JetBlue pilot, I will say many people on our forum are extreme. Vast majority of pilots I’ve met here are great people. You are of course still entitled to feel the merger is a bad idea, but please don’t judge us from our few “crazy uncles” on the internet :D

Truth…..filler

KNOTAPILOT 04-08-2022 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by Conquistador27 (Post 3402518)
I agree. From day one of the F9/NK news, everyone from both sides were acting great to one another and knew we were on the same team. Day one of the JB announcement and it’s how JB is going to win in a SLI. Add to that that after a merger, it’s going to be stagnant. No thanks. I didn’t want to work at Delta, definitely don’t want to work at Delta jr.

Well that’s just not true. Spirit pilots where showing their didn’t want to be dragged down by frontier contract. That is with both pilot groups and companies being pretty similar. You’re now blaming JetBlue pilots that would get shafted with a relative seniority list from being annoyed of losing that seniority? Trust me Jetblue pilots know this isn’t a legacy carrier. We know we aren’t Delta, United, and American. I wouldn’t expect any less from those airline pilots if they were going to lose years of seniority to JetBlue pilots.

This thread is also childish as the company could care less about the opinion of the pilots of who they rather join. I’ve seen some from your group wanting the JetBlue merger more than frontier. I wish you were right though and JetBlue and spirit didn’t mix seems like your hostility and name calling doesn’t help the relationship anymore than a JetBlue pilot defending why he shouldn’t lose years of seniority.

SSlow 04-08-2022 06:01 AM

A pilot's opinion on any of this is worthless until it is time to vote on a JCBA with xyz airline.

But by all means, keep hamstering away and getting worked up over it.

SlimBob 04-08-2022 06:12 AM


Originally Posted by KNOTAPILOT (Post 3402586)
Well that’s just not true. Spirit pilots where showing their didn’t want to be dragged down by frontier contract. That is with both pilot groups and companies being pretty similar. You’re now blaming JetBlue pilots that would get shafted with a relative seniority list from being annoyed of losing that seniority? Trust me Jetblue pilots know this isn’t a legacy carrier. We know we aren’t Delta, United, and American. I wouldn’t expect any less from those airline pilots if they were going to lose years of seniority to JetBlue pilots.

This thread is also childish as the company could care less about the opinion of the pilots of who they rather join. I’ve seen some from your group wanting the JetBlue merger more than frontier. I wish you were right though and JetBlue and spirit didn’t mix seems like your hostility and name calling doesn’t help the relationship anymore than a JetBlue pilot defending why he shouldn’t lose years of seniority.

I offer my opinion to other pilots, not the company. I don't want to argue about seniority list stuff as it's divisive and we will never get a say in how it goes down. You're supporting my point that an F9NK merger would be more positive.

NKSpilot 04-08-2022 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by SSlow (Post 3402587)
A pilot's opinion on any of this is worthless until it is time to vote on a JCBA with xyz airline.

But by all means, keep hamstering away and getting worked up over it.

Ben Baldanza has said the pilots do have a say - indirectly. Pilot input can have sway on the regulatory approval, especially in a labor friendly administration. His sentiment, not mine. Take it or leave it.

Jet Blue please.

ScrappyCocoa 04-08-2022 06:35 AM

Both potential mergers have their pros and their cons, but can you PLEASE not start with this crap and set this up to be the next US/HP style fiasco? I realize most people realize that only the vocal few take to the boards, but common, man.

And I’d much rather end up at a JB style place than a ULCC when the music stops and we can’t find butts for seats to grow any more. Either way, I’m along for the ride and would like to welcome our new overlords, whoever they might be.

SirHelios 04-08-2022 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by SlimBob (Post 3402512)
The reason I came to Spirit would die if the BOD decides to take the cash with B6. NK/F9 allows our blended family to be disfunctional together. Already B6 pilots are showing they have a chip on their shoulder where I see their company sailing with no port in mind.
I don't like BF but I think his days are numbered. F9 sweetens the offer (more cash and one of the board seats) and we move in together.
Here's to hoping they are just going through the fiduciary motions and that B6 goes away.

The reasons you came to NK are going to die if we don't get and retain pilots. Period. We cannot only hire our way out of this attrition, we need to retain. If you're that worried about a B6 merger, I'd advise to get out now and start accruing seniority at one of the Big3. Good luck! We're all going to need it one way or the other.

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Excargodog 04-08-2022 08:02 AM

Man, is this ever a first world problem. Pilots haven’t had a hiring environment or leverage like this in decades.

https://i.ibb.co/gDSSLJX/682-FA491-0...B2-A3-BA66.jpg


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