JCBA during a recession.
05-09-2022 | 05:12 AM
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except over there you can actually upgrade in under 4 years and your movement as a captain isn't 10 vacancies a month.
Oh but wait we're totally gonna upgrade 24 a month, or 48, or whatever other made up number.
We're literally upgrading 10 a month because of attrition and our CEO has the audacity to say there's no shortage and no issue with our pay/CBA.
The cognitive dissonance is palpable. Sorry Ted, time to go.
Oh but wait we're totally gonna upgrade 24 a month, or 48, or whatever other made up number.
We're literally upgrading 10 a month because of attrition and our CEO has the audacity to say there's no shortage and no issue with our pay/CBA.
The cognitive dissonance is palpable. Sorry Ted, time to go.
05-09-2022 | 06:11 AM
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Of course he says there’s no issue with the pay/CBA. They play the game just like ALPA does. I’d be shocked if he said otherwise.
05-10-2022 | 09:40 AM
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ha great argument. The shear size and level seniority B6 has at MCO and FLL would not bode well for us. I’m 35% in base. Merger policy would no doubt TRY and be fair but there is zero chance many of us would keep the same QOL. The plug at JetBlue in FLL is what 11 years on property or so? 9 years here and top 35%. MCO is similarly senior for them.
now throw in divestitures and route overlap mainly on the east coast the DOJ would surely axe and then what happens to relative seniority ?
F9 doesn’t have a ton of folks on the east coast and with the addition of PHX, TPA I can’t see a ton of folks from either airline chomping at
the bit to run to each other’s bases, keeping many peoples seat, seniority, relatively intact.
and In addition to the bloodbath a B6 digestion could be, I’ll firmly stand by my belief that the smart business move for long term growth potential is with an F9 marriage. Im
happy the Board voted 9-0 against.
now throw in divestitures and route overlap mainly on the east coast the DOJ would surely axe and then what happens to relative seniority ?
F9 doesn’t have a ton of folks on the east coast and with the addition of PHX, TPA I can’t see a ton of folks from either airline chomping at
the bit to run to each other’s bases, keeping many peoples seat, seniority, relatively intact.
and In addition to the bloodbath a B6 digestion could be, I’ll firmly stand by my belief that the smart business move for long term growth potential is with an F9 marriage. Im
happy the Board voted 9-0 against.
In regard to route overlap, why is it always assumed that the flying would be reduced?
If the separate airlines are selling the seats before merger seems the combined airline would be able to sell the same number combined, maybe more.
05-10-2022 | 10:45 AM
#36
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Because JetBlue said they would divest Spirit flights from the NE in the new “enhanced” offer and they would likely have to divest from south Florida as well. It’s not that they want to, it’s that the government will make them and they have offered to divest already to appease them
08-14-2023 | 11:57 AM
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Reviving this thread speculating a possible recession in the near future. With the big 3 locking in their contracts for the next 4 years the pilot group is insured barring a furlough. American is buckling down and paying off their debts. United is expanding rapidly and Delta is the usual with their balanced approach.
What will happen to our JCBA if recession hits? B6 will feel the hurt if there is a drop in demand and cash flow during the integration. B6 has already spent a significant portion of their assets and taken in liabilities in acquiring NK.
Future proofing is next to impossible since no one has a crystal ball, however one can weigh the risk of staying with NK/B6 and staying for the merger or jumping ship to a big 3 who have locked in their contracts. Thanks for your input.
What will happen to our JCBA if recession hits? B6 will feel the hurt if there is a drop in demand and cash flow during the integration. B6 has already spent a significant portion of their assets and taken in liabilities in acquiring NK.
Future proofing is next to impossible since no one has a crystal ball, however one can weigh the risk of staying with NK/B6 and staying for the merger or jumping ship to a big 3 who have locked in their contracts. Thanks for your input.
08-14-2023 | 01:17 PM
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Reviving this thread speculating a possible recession in the near future. With the big 3 locking in their contracts for the next 4 years the pilot group is insured barring a furlough. American is buckling down and paying off their debts. United is expanding rapidly and Delta is the usual with their balanced approach.
What will happen to our JCBA if recession hits? B6 will feel the hurt if there is a drop in demand and cash flow during the integration. B6 has already spent a significant portion of their assets and taken in liabilities in acquiring NK.
Future proofing is next to impossible since no one has a crystal ball, however one can weigh the risk of staying with NK/B6 and staying for the merger or jumping ship to a big 3 who have locked in their contracts. Thanks for your input.
What will happen to our JCBA if recession hits? B6 will feel the hurt if there is a drop in demand and cash flow during the integration. B6 has already spent a significant portion of their assets and taken in liabilities in acquiring NK.
Future proofing is next to impossible since no one has a crystal ball, however one can weigh the risk of staying with NK/B6 and staying for the merger or jumping ship to a big 3 who have locked in their contracts. Thanks for your input.
2) If you think the "Big 3 locking in their contracts" means anything in a recession, you haven't been paying attention or were around in the years 2000-2012.
Sorry but history has shown over and over that whoever is on top today, is the first to be sent to the bottom tomorrow, there is no "future proofing". Welcome to the airlines, it isnt all what some have seen the last 5 years, there is an ugly side to it. Not trying to be nasty to you, but there are way too many pilots who think the last 5 years is the "norm" and are not ready to see what the airlines really are outside of this swan even we have seen the last 5 years.
08-14-2023 | 02:22 PM
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1) Why is there a recession coming? Hasn't that been the chicken little call the last few years?
2) If you think the "Big 3 locking in their contracts" means anything in a recession, you haven't been paying attention or were around in the years 2000-2012.
Sorry but history has shown over and over that whoever is on top today, is the first to be sent to the bottom tomorrow, there is no "future proofing". Welcome to the airlines, it isnt all what some have seen the last 5 years, there is an ugly side to it. Not trying to be nasty to you, but there are way too many pilots who think the last 5 years is the "norm" and are not ready to see what the airlines really are outside of this swan even we have seen the last 5 years.
2) If you think the "Big 3 locking in their contracts" means anything in a recession, you haven't been paying attention or were around in the years 2000-2012.
Sorry but history has shown over and over that whoever is on top today, is the first to be sent to the bottom tomorrow, there is no "future proofing". Welcome to the airlines, it isnt all what some have seen the last 5 years, there is an ugly side to it. Not trying to be nasty to you, but there are way too many pilots who think the last 5 years is the "norm" and are not ready to see what the airlines really are outside of this swan even we have seen the last 5 years.
Ain’t that the truth. Even companies who were top dog for decades sometimes just disappear.
08-14-2023 | 06:31 PM
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Reviving this thread speculating a possible recession in the near future. With the big 3 locking in their contracts for the next 4 years the pilot group is insured barring a furlough. American is buckling down and paying off their debts. United is expanding rapidly and Delta is the usual with their balanced approach.
What will happen to our JCBA if recession hits? B6 will feel the hurt if there is a drop in demand and cash flow during the integration. B6 has already spent a significant portion of their assets and taken in liabilities in acquiring NK.
Future proofing is next to impossible since no one has a crystal ball, however one can weigh the risk of staying with NK/B6 and staying for the merger or jumping ship to a big 3 who have locked in their contracts. Thanks for your input.
What will happen to our JCBA if recession hits? B6 will feel the hurt if there is a drop in demand and cash flow during the integration. B6 has already spent a significant portion of their assets and taken in liabilities in acquiring NK.
Future proofing is next to impossible since no one has a crystal ball, however one can weigh the risk of staying with NK/B6 and staying for the merger or jumping ship to a big 3 who have locked in their contracts. Thanks for your input.
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