JCBA during a recession.
08-14-2023 | 08:10 PM
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1) Why is there a recession coming? Hasn't that been the chicken little call the last few years?
2) If you think the "Big 3 locking in their contracts" means anything in a recession, you haven't been paying attention or were around in the years 2000-2012.
Sorry but history has shown over and over that whoever is on top today, is the first to be sent to the bottom tomorrow, there is no "future proofing". Welcome to the airlines, it isnt all what some have seen the last 5 years, there is an ugly side to it. Not trying to be nasty to you, but there are way too many pilots who think the last 5 years is the "norm" and are not ready to see what the airlines really are outside of this swan even we have seen the last 5 years.
2) If you think the "Big 3 locking in their contracts" means anything in a recession, you haven't been paying attention or were around in the years 2000-2012.
Sorry but history has shown over and over that whoever is on top today, is the first to be sent to the bottom tomorrow, there is no "future proofing". Welcome to the airlines, it isnt all what some have seen the last 5 years, there is an ugly side to it. Not trying to be nasty to you, but there are way too many pilots who think the last 5 years is the "norm" and are not ready to see what the airlines really are outside of this swan even we have seen the last 5 years.
08-15-2023 | 05:38 AM
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The reality is, if there’s a recession so bad that would force furloughs at the big 3, NK/B6 probably gonna be hit even harder. The big 3 have massive retirements that will offset any necessary furloughs. NK/B6 doesn’t have that on deck.Go to whatever seems right in your gut. No way of knowing the right decision in the moment. You’ll know when you retire.
08-15-2023 | 07:32 AM
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Tell us some reasons you think we’re wrong with that synopsis. I’m open to a thoughtful discussion
08-15-2023 | 09:40 AM
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As far as retirements balancing out any possible furloughs, please remember the old line, “hire until you fire”.
08-15-2023 | 01:03 PM
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Because the original point was not about furloughs, it was about contracts and the notion that the legacy carriers “recession proofed” themselves with their contracts; that is fantasy land. History shows time and time again that a legacy carrier will file BK in bad times to help reset labor wages. If the Union doesn’t agree to concessions, and 1113 can be filed to be forced to give deeper concessions. There is no “we got in before the industry took a dip, we good”. Anyone who thinks this has not been watching this program for long enough.
As far as retirements balancing out any possible furloughs, please remember the old line, “hire until you fire”.
As far as retirements balancing out any possible furloughs, please remember the old line, “hire until you fire”.
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08-21-2023 | 06:42 AM
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Things could be different now, due to industry consolidation, govt. policy, or whatever, but in the past, legacies have seemed to follow more of a boom/bust pattern while LCCs’ cycles have been much more moderate. JB has never furloughed a pilot. How many thousands have been furloughed from legacies in the last twenty years? When things are good, at the legacies, they are really good, but when they’re bad, they can be really bad.
Of course, next time could be completely different. The first few pages of this thread prove how bad pilots can be at predicting the future.
Of course, next time could be completely different. The first few pages of this thread prove how bad pilots can be at predicting the future.
08-24-2023 | 06:28 PM
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Who knows, maybe 2024 NK and B6 is stand on their own or the merger happens. I think we should just understand and accept that none of us know anything and just keep pointing our planes to the respective destination.
08-28-2023 | 08:57 AM
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Looks like Alaska rates will see a hike due to their step up clause. Looking forward to another survey so we can vote with up to date information.
https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...-boosts-wages/
https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...-boosts-wages/
08-28-2023 | 01:56 PM
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Looks like Alaska rates will see a hike due to their step up clause. Looking forward to another survey so we can vote with up to date information.
https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...-boosts-wages/
https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...-boosts-wages/
08-29-2023 | 10:54 AM
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Union: because Delta, American, and United raised their pay.
Management: No, because Alaska hasn’t.
three days later..::
Union: hey, Alaska just got a raise to match! How about now?
that is how negotiations work. When others match the bar, your company has a harder time convincing you that you don’t need to match.
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