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Old 07-12-2022 | 11:29 AM
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I think the maintenance hangar it’s referring to is the one going to be in IAH. No way AAL would allow Spirit to get/build a maintenance hangar in DFW.
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Old 07-12-2022 | 11:35 AM
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We already have a maintenance facility in DFw. There just is no hangar there. But that’s where all our new engineless NEOs go to get their engines changed out. There’s two fairly new NEOs there missing engines.

the second hangar is in Houston

the SAT announcement email is ambiguous making it sound like theyre putting a hangar in SAT.
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Old 07-12-2022 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bruhaha
We already have a maintenance facility in DFw. There just is no hangar there. But that’s where all our new engineless NEOs go to get their engines changed out. There’s two fairly new NEOs there missing engines.

the second hangar is in Houston

the SAT announcement email is ambiguous making it sound like theyre putting a hangar in SAT.
it says the 2nd spirit hangar is in iah, first is in dtw. doesnt say anything about adding a new hangar
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Old 07-12-2022 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by king10pin02
it says the 2nd spirit hangar is in iah, first is in dtw. doesnt say anything about adding a new hangar
Exactly. It’s pretty clear

“SAT is adding to our ever-growing footprint with more flights to the Lonestar State, joining Austin (AUS), Dallas-Fort Worth (DFW) and Houston (IAH), home to our new aircraft maintenance facility that includes our second hangar.”

IAH and DTW hangar

Everywhere else, outside.
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Old 07-12-2022 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Exactly. It’s pretty clear

“SAT is adding to our ever-growing footprint with more flights to the Lonestar State, joining Austin (AUS), Dallas-Fort Worth (DFW) and Houston (IAH), home to our new aircraft maintenance facility that includes our second hangar.”

IAH and DTW hangar

Everywhere else, outside.
SAT is just covered with maintenance hangar sized buildings, and maybe even facilities given how much refurb work goes on there. Kinda makes sense.
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Old 07-18-2022 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by LoopsMcDoops
The biggest problem with NK in places like DFW/DTW/ORD (which we are currently reducing) is that NK simply cannot demand a higher priced ticket. Take DFW for example, AA will simply closely match our pricing on routes we both operate. AA can do this both as a loss leader and as a subsidy where those losses can be made up somewhere else in their system. AA calls NK "The Weed" at their HQs. As a passenger shopping for a fare, when the pricing on a third party site has AA and NK closely priced, almost always a person is going to choose AA. Whether or not their product really is that much better than ours, and we know its not necessarily, a regular everyday pax would prefer travel on AA.
You make a good argument. But, this is exactly the same way new (and cheaper) airlines have always entered new markets. If I recall correctly, it just came out last week that, on a per route operational cost-basis, NK is 46% cheaper to operate than United. AA, and Legacies, can price match all they want, but they'll certainly be losing money on a per route cost. Sure, they'll keep doing it (particularly from AA towards South Florida), but they're also on track to lose more than $1 Bill this year; whilst United and Delta are expected to make profit.

They can price match all they want, but they can't compete in the long term. Well... there's always bankruptcy. Which, AA will need a miracle, over the next few years to avoid it anyway.
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Old 07-27-2022 | 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by E6BAV8R
You make a good argument. But, this is exactly the same way new (and cheaper) airlines have always entered new markets. If I recall correctly, it just came out last week that, on a per route operational cost-basis, NK is 46% cheaper to operate than United. AA, and Legacies, can price match all they want, but they'll certainly be losing money on a per route cost. Sure, they'll keep doing it (particularly from AA towards South Florida), but they're also on track to lose more than $1 Bill this year; whilst United and Delta are expected to make profit.

They can price match all they want, but they can't compete in the long term. Well... there's always bankruptcy. Which, AA will need a miracle, over the next few years to avoid it anyway.
People said 5-6-7-8 years ago, that AA would be filing bankruptcy "within the next couple years".

AA's costs, as with all the legacies is double Spirit's. But so is their average revenue. I believe all three legacies reported a profit for Q2, will NK? Yes, I know JB is in the same boat. But the point stands. It should be clear to you, if you step back and look at the entire picture, that simply having the lowest CASM doesn't guarantee success.
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Old 07-27-2022 | 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
People said 5-6-7-8 years ago, that AA would be filing bankruptcy "within the next couple years".

AA's costs, as with all the legacies is double Spirit's. But so is their average revenue. I believe all three legacies reported a profit for Q2, will NK? Yes, I know JB is in the same boat. But the point stands. It should be clear to you, if you step back and look at the entire picture, that simply having the lowest CASM doesn't guarantee success.
revenue is not profit
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Old 07-27-2022 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by hercretired
revenue is not profit
And neither is costs! Are you seriously this one dimensional?
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Old 07-27-2022 | 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
And neither is costs! Are you seriously this one dimensional?
I was going to ask you the same question, in all honesty
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