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fumeevented 07-27-2022 05:57 PM

God you guys are drama queens. I think the worst case SIL was like -7% for some captains. And JB said they wouldn't INCREASE the combined presence in FL, not shrink it. If your based there now you should be based there after a merger.

dualinput 07-27-2022 05:57 PM

Not to mention no one and I mean no one has any idea how a seniority list might look for a merged pilot group that doesn’t even exist at this point.

Bluedriver 07-27-2022 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by Popeye0537 (Post 3468239)
This....☝️ And what I think will eventually happen is NK/B6 will shrink FLL and just move operations to MIA.

HIGHLY disagree. If anything JetBlue will grow BOTH as much as possible.

JB+NK won't have a fortress hub in FLL, but it will at least smell like one. They will maximize that as much as possible. They will also use their local name recognition to grow MIA as much as possible, if it makes economic sense to do so, which I suspect it will.

It would be similar to it's approach in NYC. They are at all times actively seeking more slots/gates at LGA/JFK/EWR.

MooneyPilot25 07-27-2022 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3468246)
HIGHLY disagree. If anything JetBlue will grow BOTH as much as possible.

JB+NK won't have a fortress hub in FLL, but it will at least smell like one. They will maximize that as much as possible. They will also use their local name recognition to grow MIA as much as possible, if it makes economic sense to do so, which I suspect it will.

It would be similar to it's approach in NYC. They are at all times actively seeking more slots/gates at LGA/JFK/EWR.


I'm just the squeaky wheel. Give me ATL and I'll stay. Anyone know HOW the merger will go for Seniority? Both being ALPA doesn't mean much in terms of HOW they combine from everything I've read. Doubt staple to the bottom, but how would the zipper really go.

Bgood 07-27-2022 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by Aviary (Post 3468212)
I feel very sorry for the FL based NK captains (7-8 years and under) that are soon faced with the decision to either commute to JFK, or downgrade to retain their QOL.

eh...disagree. FLL will be fine, MCO would be so so since it's our most senior base. With that said, NK operations in those two bases will be mostly added to the B6 operations. Hence the need will still be there for crewmembers. But here's my question, why is everyone always quick to point to JFK? Lol will there not be other bases? JFK can only hold so much. This ain't a "feel sorry" post you posting.

Atleast wait to see if there will actually be a merger first then we can all sound the alarm......."JFK IS COMING!! ARE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FULLY PREPARED? ALL WILL BE LOST" <scary soundtrack>

CincoDeMayo 07-27-2022 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3468242)
Not to mention no one and I mean no one has any idea how a seniority list might look for a merged pilot group that doesn’t even exist at this point.

I think you can have a pretty good idea of what a merged seniority list will look like based on the last handful of arbitrated lists.

Here is the cheat sheet: JetBlue is the more senior group, Spirit the more junior

So what that usually means, based on the highly likely StatCat/Longevity integration is:
Spirit pilots will be upset that they lose some relative seniority
JBlu pilots are upset that they are now junior to a Spirit pilot that has less longevity than they do.
Both sides are ****ed, its a good integration.

Questions remain for the arbitrator, will the 220s be integrated with the 320 series and will JBlu dump all of the 190s before any ISL, because those will most likely not be integrated with the 320 series.

Bgood 07-27-2022 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by Popeye0537 (Post 3468239)
This....☝️ And what I think will eventually happen is NK/B6 will shrink FLL and just move operations to MIA.

To be honest, I hope you're wrong and we stay at FLL. I don't wanna drive to MIA or take the train.

Aviary 07-27-2022 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3468233)
Alarms are for babies.


And for short call RSV report times @ T5.

CincoDeMayo 07-27-2022 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by Bgood (Post 3468252)
To be honest, I hope you're wrong and we stay at FLL. I don't wanna drive to MIA or take the train.

Why would the new JBlu want to downsize FLL, leaving gates for SWA to grow down there. No way.

JBLu is going to soon be the 5th largest airline, #4 down the road if deliveries as planned. I dont think their plan will be to allow SWA take their abandoned gate space.

Bgood 07-27-2022 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3468254)
Why would the new JBlu want to downsize FLL, leaving gates for SWA to grow down there. No way.

JBLu is going to soon be the 5th largest airline, #4 down the road if deliveries as planned. I dont think their plan will be to allow SWA take their abandoned gate space.

Exactly. Not just SWA either, No way they make that mistake.


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