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symbian simian 01-02-2023 09:20 PM


Originally Posted by I was inverted (Post 3564130)
$300/hr narrowbody rates sounded crazy a few years ago. $380 A320 and $383 A321 rates sounded crazy until Delta AIP’d it. Supply and demand. Inflation. Etc.

Price of eggs has gone up almost 50% in a year, apparently due to low supply. Not saying we are eggs, but still.

symbian simian 01-02-2023 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by Conquistador27 (Post 3563867)
CEO compensation has never correlated to the health of a company. Sad, but true.

It actually has. Lower CEO compensation related to higher long term profitability.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/best-pa...ies-1469419262

JulesWinfield 01-02-2023 09:40 PM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3564137)
Price of eggs has gone up almost 50% in a year, apparently due to low supply. Not saying we are eggs, but still.

Inflation has nothing to do with it. This contract cements our place as a bottom tier airbus operator. We are giving up quite a bit of leverage, and they didn’t give us a raise out of the goodness of their hearts. I understand the NC’s position, but we have leverage and squandered it for a contract that’s in line with old legacy contracts.

symbian simian 01-02-2023 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3564144)
Inflation has nothing to do with it. This contract cements our place as a bottom tier airbus operator. We are giving up quite a bit of leverage, and they didn’t give us a raise out of the goodness of their hearts. I understand the NC’s position, but we have leverage and squandered it for a contract that’s in line with old legacy contracts.

Not sure about your reading comprehension here. I really thought I said the rates for our TA should have been way higher.....

Halon1211 01-03-2023 03:21 AM


Originally Posted by JulesWinfield (Post 3564144)
This contract cements our place as a bottom tier airbus operator


a misleading lie you guys keep saying over and over again to scare people…yet it’s not true at all.

Not fooling me

Delphin 01-03-2023 04:31 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3564137)
Price of eggs has gone up almost 50% in a year, apparently due to low supply. Not saying we are eggs, but still.

Over 50 million egg laying chickens died from an Avian Flu outbreak in 2022, not the best example.

JulesWinfield 01-03-2023 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3564150)
Not sure about your reading comprehension here. I really thought I said the rates for our TA should have been way higher.....

We agree, I am just saying leave inflation out of the equation, it has nothing to do with our pay rates and never will. I guess you could argue for a short term contract, it should be factored in, but it’s clear we won’t be industry leading in that regard.

I don’t agree with the “3 bites at the apple” approach the NC is taking, but oh well. I said my peace with my vote.

Conquistador27 01-03-2023 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3564139)
It actually has. Lower CEO compensation related to higher long term profitability.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/best-pa...ies-1469419262

That isn’t what I was saying. Somebody said look at Teds paycheck, we must be doing fine. I was saying that doesn’t necessarily correlate.

Fah2 01-03-2023 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3564113)
so then they should all pay us $700/hour no problem then?

Boy that NC PowerPoint really spooked you eh? The next time you snuggle into the cockpit, rifle through the paper work and find the sheet of paper with City pairs at the top, all the suggested routings for your flight. The last line of each route are the operating costs in $dollars, the greatest of which by a wiiiiiide margin is always fuel. The next is time, which is inclusive of all the crew and other costs divided by the flight time. Then occasionally you have overflight costs for Cuba or Colombia etc.

Add all those up and get the operating costs for that particular flight. Now take what you think industry standard compensation would cost them additionally to what you make now per hour for both pilots, multiply that by your block time, and divide it by that total for the other costs. It’s nothing, it’s a rounding error.

Paying us the market rate for narrow body crews is NOT what is going to prevent the company from turning a profit.

CLE to IAH 01-03-2023 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3563840)
Assuming the rest is for the FAs but not to say they couldn’t give us the rest and let the FAs spin their wheels for a while. There’s always a wide eyed Walmart greeter with dreams of overnighting in St. Louis ready to fill the void.

I laughed :-)


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