Originally Posted by azboy (Post 3563582)

The way I see this, it’s like getting a raise at the start of negotiations while we negotiate real pay rates.

For example, if we weren’t in an impending merger and the company comes to us in March when the contract becomes amendable and say we will offer you a raise now while we negotiate the real pay rates. Instead of being stuck at current pay rates while we negotiate for 2-3 years we get a nice raise, who would say no to that?

This is basically what’s happening, we are getting a raise all the while having more rounds of negotiations coming in the next couple years with the merger. And we will be then negotiating with B6 who have at least shown they are willing to pay. And if the merger doesn’t go through we go straight back to the table negotiating.

Just my two cents.

Originally Posted by Notarealpilot (Post 3563785)

I was shocked reading this. After seeing the JetBlue rates I can’t believe this pilot group would even entertain this TA.

Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3563790)

Spirit will have to go find more money. Not saying they won’t or they can’t but those are possibilities. This TA was put on credit.

Originally Posted by Notarealpilot (Post 3563785)

I was shocked reading this. After seeing the JetBlue rates I can’t believe this pilot group would even entertain this TA.

Originally Posted by flyingpuma1 (Post 3563806)

I’m not saying this to be mean but you must be new here. I’m a solid no voter but after 20 years of flying for various airlines I’d honestly be surprised if it doesn’t pass. Pilots will sell their souls for about $1. Right now we actually have leverage and when this mess goes through the company can raise first year pay at will, which is the only reason they are coming to the table right now. If they could raise first year pay whenever they wanted none of the rest of us would be included in that like we are now. After looking at Alaska rates and JB rates this should be an easy No vote for the group but I’m not holding my breath.

Originally Posted by flyingpuma1 (Post 3563806)

I’m not saying this to be mean but you must be new here. I’m a solid no voter but after 20 years of flying for various airlines I’d honestly be surprised if it doesn’t pass. Pilots will sell their souls for about $1. Right now we actually have leverage and when this mess goes through the company can raise first year pay at will, which is the only reason they are coming to the table right now. If they could raise first year pay whenever they wanted none of the rest of us would be included in that like we are now. After looking at Alaska rates and JB rates this should be an easy No vote for the group but I’m not holding my breath.

Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 3563793)

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t they take out a loan for $600 Million? The TA is worth $469 Million over two years. Pretty big piece of the pie.

Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer (Post 3563793)

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t they take out a loan for $600 Million? The TA is worth $469 Million over two years. Pretty big piece of the pie.

Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3563840)

Assuming the rest is for the FAs but not to say they couldn’t give us the rest and let the FAs spin their wheels for a while. There’s always a wide eyed Walmart greeter with dreams of overnighting in St. Louis ready to fill the void.