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#11
It’s a tough vote. No right answer because no one has a crystal ball so everything is purely speculation.
1) We vote no and they drag their feet to come back to the table. Mainly because they’ll probably wait for the amendable date then it takes another 2-3 months for a better offer and another 1-1.5 months to bring it to a vote.
This will be happening while everyone goes into TPA (go into TPA with the current CBA?) so won’t be an expeditious process.
2) We vote no and we do get a better offer fast. This would be best case scenario, but no guarantee (obviously).
3) We vote yes, we take the pay and go into TPA and than JCBA. These rates would hold us over to really dig deep and claw for every penny on the JCBA.
4) We vote yes and the merger doesn’t go through. Go back to the table and negotiate from the new CBA rather than the old one.
Probably missed a scenario, but this is what comes to mind. We would be the highest paid ULCC for now (not counting JB as they’re a LCC, but quickly leaving that category).
Is voting down a $30-$40/hr pay raise for an additional $15/hr worth it (if even possible?)? Only the individual can answer that. I would just encourage everyone to get educated and vote what they feel is right. Good luck!
1) We vote no and they drag their feet to come back to the table. Mainly because they’ll probably wait for the amendable date then it takes another 2-3 months for a better offer and another 1-1.5 months to bring it to a vote.
This will be happening while everyone goes into TPA (go into TPA with the current CBA?) so won’t be an expeditious process.
2) We vote no and we do get a better offer fast. This would be best case scenario, but no guarantee (obviously).
3) We vote yes, we take the pay and go into TPA and than JCBA. These rates would hold us over to really dig deep and claw for every penny on the JCBA.
4) We vote yes and the merger doesn’t go through. Go back to the table and negotiate from the new CBA rather than the old one.
Probably missed a scenario, but this is what comes to mind. We would be the highest paid ULCC for now (not counting JB as they’re a LCC, but quickly leaving that category).
Is voting down a $30-$40/hr pay raise for an additional $15/hr worth it (if even possible?)? Only the individual can answer that. I would just encourage everyone to get educated and vote what they feel is right. Good luck!
#12
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Spirit won’t survive in present form without a new contract attrition is too great and NH pay isn’t high enough. Vote this TA down and you’ll have a better agreement because management can’t afford not to give it. There’s only so many 750hr helicopter pilots around so they won’t be able to hire enough to change the tide.
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It’s a tough vote. No right answer because no one has a crystal ball so everything is purely speculation.
1) We vote no and they drag their feet to come back to the table. Mainly because they’ll probably wait for the amendable date then it takes another 2-3 months for a better offer and another 1-1.5 months to bring it to a vote.
This will be happening while everyone goes into TPA (go into TPA with the current CBA?) so won’t be an expeditious process.
2) We vote no and we do get a better offer fast. This would be best case scenario, but no guarantee (obviously).
3) We vote yes, we take the pay and go into TPA and than JCBA. These rates would hold us over to really dig deep and claw for every penny on the JCBA.
4) We vote yes and the merger doesn’t go through. Go back to the table and negotiate from the new CBA rather than the old one.
Probably missed a scenario, but this is what comes to mind. We would be the highest paid ULCC for now (not counting JB as they’re a LCC, but quickly leaving that category).
Is voting down a $30-$40/hr pay raise for an additional $15/hr worth it (if even possible?)? Only the individual can answer that. I would just encourage everyone to get educated and vote what they feel is right. Good luck!
1) We vote no and they drag their feet to come back to the table. Mainly because they’ll probably wait for the amendable date then it takes another 2-3 months for a better offer and another 1-1.5 months to bring it to a vote.
This will be happening while everyone goes into TPA (go into TPA with the current CBA?) so won’t be an expeditious process.
2) We vote no and we do get a better offer fast. This would be best case scenario, but no guarantee (obviously).
3) We vote yes, we take the pay and go into TPA and than JCBA. These rates would hold us over to really dig deep and claw for every penny on the JCBA.
4) We vote yes and the merger doesn’t go through. Go back to the table and negotiate from the new CBA rather than the old one.
Probably missed a scenario, but this is what comes to mind. We would be the highest paid ULCC for now (not counting JB as they’re a LCC, but quickly leaving that category).
Is voting down a $30-$40/hr pay raise for an additional $15/hr worth it (if even possible?)? Only the individual can answer that. I would just encourage everyone to get educated and vote what they feel is right. Good luck!
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It’s a tough vote. No right answer because no one has a crystal ball so everything is purely speculation.
1) We vote no and they drag their feet to come back to the table. Mainly because they’ll probably wait for the amendable date then it takes another 2-3 months for a better offer and another 1-1.5 months to bring it to a vote.
This will be happening while everyone goes into TPA (go into TPA with the current CBA?) so won’t be an expeditious process.
2) We vote no and we do get a better offer fast. This would be best case scenario, but no guarantee (obviously).
3) We vote yes, we take the pay and go into TPA and than JCBA. These rates would hold us over to really dig deep and claw for every penny on the JCBA.
4) We vote yes and the merger doesn’t go through. Go back to the table and negotiate from the new CBA rather than the old one.
Probably missed a scenario, but this is what comes to mind. We would be the highest paid ULCC for now (not counting JB as they’re a LCC, but quickly leaving that category).
Is voting down a $30-$40/hr pay raise for an additional $15/hr worth it (if even possible?)? Only the individual can answer that. I would just encourage everyone to get educated and vote what they feel is right. Good luck!
1) We vote no and they drag their feet to come back to the table. Mainly because they’ll probably wait for the amendable date then it takes another 2-3 months for a better offer and another 1-1.5 months to bring it to a vote.
This will be happening while everyone goes into TPA (go into TPA with the current CBA?) so won’t be an expeditious process.
2) We vote no and we do get a better offer fast. This would be best case scenario, but no guarantee (obviously).
3) We vote yes, we take the pay and go into TPA and than JCBA. These rates would hold us over to really dig deep and claw for every penny on the JCBA.
4) We vote yes and the merger doesn’t go through. Go back to the table and negotiate from the new CBA rather than the old one.
Probably missed a scenario, but this is what comes to mind. We would be the highest paid ULCC for now (not counting JB as they’re a LCC, but quickly leaving that category).
Is voting down a $30-$40/hr pay raise for an additional $15/hr worth it (if even possible?)? Only the individual can answer that. I would just encourage everyone to get educated and vote what they feel is right. Good luck!
Your number 4 scenario while factual has no ending. All leverage will be lost.
#17
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Not all leverage. This deal isn’t near enough to really help with attrition. At most, it’s a stopgap to help the bleeding for the next 6-12 months until it becomes jetblues problem. The leverage will not be lost.
#18
Honestly, I haven’t given much thought to your second point, but I don’t disagree with it
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