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PossibleDeviation 01-10-2023 12:32 PM
Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 3568429)
no your are right. We will instead use the fact you knowingly approved an inferior contract while we had a better offer on the table.

thank you for solidifying your career expectations.

If you expect our MEC to put forth any effort at all to bring you guys up during the TPA negotiations you are insane. You had your chance 2 months ago. Your union leadership sold you a bill of goods and I would put a paycheck bet on no financial gains during TPA.
Yup - this……

SSlow 01-10-2023 12:45 PM
Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 3568429)
no your are right. We will instead use the fact you knowingly approved an inferior contract while we had a better offer on the table.

thank you for solidifying your career expectations.

If you expect our MEC to put forth any effort at all to bring you guys up during the TPA negotiations you are insane. You had your chance 2 months ago. Your union leadership sold you a bill of goods and I would put a paycheck bet on no financial gains during TPA.
Sadly, I think you are spot on with the bolded part.

flyingpuma1 01-10-2023 12:52 PM
Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18 (Post 3568429)
no your are right. We will instead use the fact you knowingly approved an inferior contract while we had a better offer on the table.

thank you for solidifying your career expectations.

If you expect our MEC to put forth any effort at all to bring you guys up during the TPA negotiations you are insane. You had your chance 2 months ago. Your union leadership sold you a bill of goods and I would put a paycheck bet on no financial gains during TPA.

100% correct. Everyone here cheering crappy pay rates and thinking it will somehow help in a merger must not realize these new *fantastic* pay rates are still less than what JB’s will be.

SSlow 01-10-2023 12:55 PM
Originally Posted by onedolla (Post 3568394)
What’s to say year 1 and 2 pay can’t be within 2% of each other as a new standard going forward forever and they treat it the same they did for this new contract? Would that really be a “gain” for us?
This was the one and only part of the TA I just couldn't wrap my head around when the union tried to spin it off as a positive. Nobody really knows for sure, but it could easily go the other way and end up hurting us if the merger doesn't go through.

Lobaeux 01-10-2023 12:56 PM
Originally Posted by flyingpuma1 (Post 3568451)
100% correct. Everyone here cheering crappy pay rates and thinking it will somehow help in a merger must not realize these new *fantastic* pay rates are still less than what JB’s will be.
Darn right I'm gonna cheer getting an extra $50K+ a year and giving up nothing in return for it.

680crewchief 01-10-2023 04:54 PM
Leverage.

You gave up leverage.

Excargodog 01-10-2023 05:05 PM
Originally Posted by 680crewchief (Post 3568631)
Leverage.

You gave up leverage.
Every contract that is ratified someone gives up leverage. Usually both parties.

But what is done is done. Crying over spilt milk is fruitless. One way or another, we will be back in negotiations in two years or less, either for a JCBA or for a new CBA. For the NK guys voting no, you lost this time. Get your arguments, proposals, and wants to the MEC for the next go around. Same for the NK yes voters. This doesn’t stop here.

For the non-NK guys, vote your own contracts any way you want. This one’s done.

680crewchief 01-10-2023 05:14 PM
He said he gave up nothing for $50k.

I pointed out that is false.

Carry on.

DrDHD 01-10-2023 05:18 PM
Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3568636)
Every contract that is ratified someone gives up leverage. Usually both parties.

But what is done is done. Crying over spilt milk is fruitless. One way or another, we will be back in negotiations in two years or less, either for a JCBA or for a new CBA. For the NK guys voting no, you lost this time. Get your arguments, proposals, and wants to the MEC for the next go around. Same for the NK yes voters. This doesn’t stop here.

For the non-NK guys, vote your own contracts any way you want. This one’s done.
this is why people work for legacy’s aka real airlines.

Lobaeux 01-10-2023 05:23 PM
Originally Posted by 680crewchief (Post 3568631)
Leverage.

You gave up leverage.
What “leverage” did we give up? I can tell you right now, in the other APC, Airline Presidents Central they’re roasting Ted right now because he gave a raise to the pilots and literally got nothing in return.


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