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Old 07-18-2023 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by vegabondpilot
Bluedriver, you really should take a breath and think deeper about what we're trying to say. Profit sharing based on net income is really weak. It's not an "accounting gimmick". It's GAAP accounting 101. And, it's how hundreds of growth companies structure their finances.

Don't end up scratching your head in confusion 10 years later when the company prints cash, triples in size, the stock goes parabolic, and not once reports a positive net income.
Dont end up scratching your head when JB pilots get the profit sharing plan BACK that they used to have, when the company was an even younger growth company, and it starts paying good checks AGAIN.
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Old 07-18-2023 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Dont end up scratching your head when JB pilots get the profit sharing plan BACK that they used to have, when the company was an even younger growth company, and it starts paying good checks AGAIN.
Play nice boys. You're both too smart to let the internet get to you. It's a good conversation, and some of us need to hear different opinions about the details you guys are talking about.
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Old 07-18-2023 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Hugh Betcha
Play nice boys. You're both too smart to let the internet get to you. It's a good conversation, and some of us need to hear different opinions about the details you guys are talking about.
Don't disagree, but I certainly don't need to hear from him why we can't have back what we already had and how the plan wouldn't pay anything ("because we're a growth company"), yet in actuality it paid quite a lot over several years.
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Old 07-18-2023 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Don't disagree, but I certainly don't need to hear from him why we can't have back what we already had and how the plan wouldn't pay anything ("because we're a growth company"), yet in actuality it paid quite a lot over several years.
I never said that. I said there are better ways to calc profit sharing that are less susceptible to accounting shenanigans than net income. All airline profit sharing language is weak, imo. We could/should do better with this contract.
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Old 07-18-2023 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by vegabondpilot
I never said that. I said there are better ways to calc profit sharing that are less susceptible to accounting shenanigans than net income. All airline profit sharing language is weak, imo. We could/should do better with this contract.
Can you quote me ever saying "net income" please? I'll wait.

A question while you're looking for that quote.

Is English your primary language? You regularly start arguing points that others haven't made, only to argue with yourself, about something you brought into the conversation.
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Old 07-18-2023 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
Can you quote me ever saying "net income" please? I'll wait.

A question while you're looking for that quote.

Is English your primary language? You regularly start arguing points that others haven't made, only to argue with yourself, about something you brought into the conversation.
Ok, my bad. Based on how you were using the term "profit" I assumed you referring to the GAAP definition of Net Income (which is typically synonymous). That also happens to be how UA/DL/B6 calculate profit sharing. Well, more accurately they use the term "pre-tax profit" which they define as Net Income before taxes so they can deduct the profit sharing payment. But, it's based on Net Income.

Don't confuse your lack of accounting 101 knowledge for my deficiency in English. Lulz.
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Old 07-18-2023 | 04:02 PM
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Miatas are not sports cars. Change my mind….
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Old 07-18-2023 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by vegabondpilot
Ok, my bad. Based on how you were using the term "profit" I assumed you referring to the GAAP definition of Net Income (which is typically synonymous). That also happens to be how UA/DL/B6 calculate profit sharing. Well, more accurately they use the term "pre-tax profit" which they define as Net Income before taxes so they can deduct the profit sharing payment. But, it's based on Net Income.

Don't confuse your lack of accounting 101 knowledge for my deficiency in English. Lulz.

Well seeing that in the US and I assume most places “net income” is post tax, what you meant was “gross income” so good job f’ing that up as well.
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Old 07-18-2023 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by flippedr6
Well seeing that in the US and I assume most places “net income” is post tax, what you meant was “gross income” so good job f’ing that up as well.
No. Gross Income is related to an individual's taxes. You might be thinking of Gross Profit which is the GAAP term. Back on topic, Gross Profit is similar to EBITDA, which would be a much better number to use for profit sharing.

The language in the contract(s) is “Pre-Tax Profit” which is a made up term, but they define it as pre-tax (and other adjustments to) Net Income.
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Old 07-18-2023 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Tranquility
Miatas are not sports cars. Change my mind….
Why would I try a change a perfectly good opinion. When you're right, you're right.
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