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rickair7777 10-23-2024 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3846871)
I can guarantee you that the ****s Merrick Garland and Jonathan Kanter, especially the latter, wanted to tank it. They are zealots that need to be unemployed.

Don't forget Lina Kahn, flip side of the same coin.

It's looking they'll all be unemployed on Jan 21st.

StoneQOLdCrazy 10-24-2024 02:57 AM


Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris (Post 3846716)
Snap up is #1 regardless if its a stand alone CBA or JCBA. No more "next time". Snap up is now industry standard.

Ah. So you want to freeload off of others’ hard work without actually raising the bar yourself. A true unionist.

Born2FlyAv8R 10-24-2024 03:32 AM


Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 3846967)
Ah. So you want to freeload off of others’ hard work without actually raising the bar yourself. A true unionist.

eh, he’s right. Snap up has become the standard.

ULLI 10-24-2024 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 3846967)
Ah. So you want to freeload off of others’ hard work without actually raising the bar yourself. A true unionist.

Whaaaaat!?!?
Tbh I would prefer to negotiate for 3 years and then be another cycle behind the industry 🤦
Yeah, I would prefer to have the snap up, and no it's not "freeloading"

Alexjones 10-24-2024 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 3846820)
What color lanyard will that rally cry be?

Hahah management fears those orange lanyards so scary

rickair7777 10-24-2024 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by ULLI (Post 3847016)
Whaaaaat!?!?
Tbh I would prefer to negotiate for 3 years and then be another cycle behind the industry 🤦
Yeah, I would prefer to have the snap up, and no it's not "freeloading"

No, snap up is not freeloading. It's a safety valve, why would you not want it? It's now become the standard.

Does the rest of the industry expect two merged airlines, one broke, both in an essentially failing business niche to set the new bar at DAL+30%? While already coming from behind? No. But at the very least a snap up, even if it's on a time delay, is better than nothing.

Personally I don't view F9/NK as leading the next round of pattern bargaining, but playing catch up from the last one. YMMV depending on who you talk to.

Lincoln Osiris 10-24-2024 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 3846967)
Ah. So you want to freeload off of others’ hard work without actually raising the bar yourself. A true unionist.

AA, UAL, DAL, B6, WN, AS all have snap up no?

fcoolaiddrinker 10-24-2024 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3847048)
No, snap up is not freeloading. It's a safety valve, why would you not want it? It's now become the standard.

Does the rest of the industry expect two merged airlines, one broke, both in an essentially failing business niche to set the new bar at DAL+30%? While already coming from behind? No. But at the very least a snap up, even if it's on a time delay, is better than nothing.

Personally I don't view F9/NK as leading the next round of pattern bargaining, but playing catch up from the last one. YMMV depending on who you talk to.

F9 had minimum average of peers language prior to indigo. The problem with it was peers were listed as alaska America west and AirTran I believe. It became tough to argue the average of one number.

rickair7777 10-24-2024 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker (Post 3847076)
F9 had minimum average of peers language prior to indigo. The problem with it was peers were listed as alaska America west and AirTran I believe. It became tough to argue the average of one number.

Maybe the heavy lift would be defining the peer group to include legacies. Or at least SWA.

Bluediver 10-24-2024 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3846510)
https://www.wsj.com/business/airline...googlenewsfeed

Sounds like it’s getting close for F9/NK

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justi...-inquiry-state

Looks to me like they’re not done yet.


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