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Noisecanceller 10-24-2024 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by Bluediver (Post 3847140)
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justi...-inquiry-state

Looks to me like they’re not done yet.

These ****ing jokers.

1. The industry is the healthiest it’s been in history due to past consolidation.

2. Tickets are the cheapest they’ve ever been on an inflationary scale.

3. Route networks larger than ever allowing more ease in rerouting passengers due to bad weather and other circumstances.

4. Large gains have been made in labor contracts to compensate employees better than they have been since pre 9/11

5. billions in value have been returned to shareholders

6. Blocking further consolidation through the Spirit/jetblue merger put 163 highly skilled union pilots out of work and is threatening to put thousands of Americans at Spirit out of work, along with hundreds of millions of dollars in lost shareholder value.

7. Airfare will go up when spirit goes under when the spirit/JetBlue merger would have kept legacy prices in check.

I cannot believe these ****ers are even citing this as a positive for the industry.

Chimpy 10-24-2024 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by Noisecanceller (Post 3847156)
These ****ing jokers.

1. The industry is the healthiest it’s been in history due to past consolidation.

2. Tickets are the cheapest they’ve ever been on an inflationary scale.

3. Route networks larger than ever allowing more ease in rerouting passengers due to bad weather and other circumstances.

4. Large gains have been made in labor contracts to compensate employees better than they have been since pre 9/11

5. billions in value have been returned to shareholders

6. Blocking further consolidation through the Spirit/jetblue merger put 163 highly skilled union pilots out of work and is threatening to put thousands of Americans at Spirit out of work, along with hundreds of millions of dollars in lost shareholder value.

7. Airfare will go up when spirit goes under when the spirit/JetBlue merger would have kept legacy prices in check.

I cannot believe these ****ers are even citing this as a positive for the industry.

pretty sure the govt will not attempt to block an F9/Nk merger. This will be them just saying they have done their due diligence blah blah blah.

spooldup 10-24-2024 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3847129)
Maybe the heavy lift would be defining the peer group to include legacies. Or at least SWA.

We know our "peers" are the ones flying the same planes as us. It used to be said that the number of seats dont matter, its the plane category that determine pay.

Well now we have legacies paying wide body rates to 321neos because they hold the most seats. Our 321neos hold 240 pax and we should be compensated us such, be it pay or a mixture of pay + benefits/QOL.

Our management at F9 has tried to tell us our peers are those of Allegiant, spirit, breeze, and jetblue when in reality, those are just the airlines with the lowest industry contracts, aka, the cheapest.

StoneQOLdCrazy 10-24-2024 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by ULLI (Post 3847016)
Whaaaaat!?!?
Tbh I would prefer to negotiate for 3 years and then be another cycle behind the industry 🤦
Yeah, I would prefer to have the snap up, and no it's not "freeloading"

are you going to trigger other groups’ snap-ups, and raise the bar for them? Of course not. You’re going to piggyback on other pilots’ successes and tack one on for yourself.

Lincoln Osiris 10-24-2024 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy (Post 3847207)
are you going to trigger other groups’ snap-ups, and raise the bar for them? Of course not. You’re going to piggyback on other pilots’ successes and tack one on for yourself.

Stone is just a troll. Don't feed the troll.

Halon1211 10-24-2024 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by spooldup (Post 3847201)

Well now we have legacies paying wide body rates to 321neos because they hold the most seats. Our 321neos hold 240 pax.

well, it’s actually 229 pax now for an A321NEO but I get your point 🤓

biigD 10-24-2024 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris (Post 3847217)
Stone is just a troll. Don't feed the troll.

He also can't tell you one thing he personally did to 'raise the bar'. He just sat on a seniority list while his union volunteers were out there actually doing the work. He's like the fan of a football team that uses the word 'we'. "We played a great game!"

No, *you* didn't do s---t.

Nacho Libre 10-24-2024 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by Halon1211 (Post 3847225)
well, it’s actually 229 pax now for an A321NEO but I get your point 🤓


The F9 321NEOs do indeed have 240 seats. He works at F9.

MstrAv8r 10-24-2024 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by Nacho Libre (Post 3847265)
The F9 321NEOs do indeed have 240 seats. He works at F9.

Having flown a number of them during my time at F9, I can corroborate this fact. Their 321neo variant holds 240 pax + crew. It’s a full boat!

Judge Smails 10-24-2024 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris (Post 3846416)
Not my quote. Go ask a union rep keyboard warrior.

I promise you no rep with at least 2 brain cells (we have one that is questionable in that department) said that.


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