And why would anyone of either pilot group vot yes on a JCBA that takes us even further away from current market rates?

Are you under the dilusion that either MEC would present an industry leading, or even industy par, JCBA to the pilot group? And are you further under the dillusion that either group would vote down a subpar JCBA?

Average of F9+NK rates +5% and it passes by 65%+

Or am I supposed to still be laughing over your 'snap up' dreams? What color lanyard will that rally cry be?

I don't want to believe you, but unfortunately I do.

Lmao you aint wrong, you may be okay with less than industry standard but I sure the hell ain't. Your line of thinking is why we will forever be bottom of the barrel dragging the rest of the industy down.

Me pointing out what the MEC(s) will do and how the pilot groups will vote is not me acquising to either mentality. And it isn't my line of thinking; it's the cold hard truth of working for either of these two scumbag airlines. Have you looked around at your company, aircraft, and crew? It is what it is and it certainly pays the bills for a lot of us but it will never be what you see when you look over the ramp at your near peers.

Current legacy A320 12 year rates are topping at nearly $400/hour while NK is $320 and F9 is $270. If you ever think that these two boat anchors of the industry when combined will have parity with any legacy, or even Southwest, then you really need to either step back and assess the industry or reach out to a mental health professional. Either carrier works for a lot of folks but if it doesn't then there is a lot of hiring coming up in the next few years. Ask the guy sitting beside you next time; odds are they've already interviewed somewhere else. Stay or go; it's a decision that we all have to make. But make an honest assessment of what Firit will be and not banging the dillusional drum of snap up or pairty rates.

May be anecdotal but I'm at F9 and whenever I commute on NK your airplanes are consistently cleaner than ours, app works way better than F9, wifi on board and overall much more quality in the branding than us.

MCO is one of our largest bases (was the largest for a while till they gutted it by opening several bases at once) and we don't even have a service desk past security. Everyone gets sent back to the ticket counter or is told to text our customer service on whatsapp since we don't even have a phone number anymore... seriously... so it's all a joke. NK has a service desk with 3 employees tending to customers at MCO by their gates. Whatever you're used to get ready for it to be taken a few notches down, unfortunately.

Thank you for proving my point.

Well that's interesting, I saw a commutable 4 day in open time at my base for days on end. I've been here a while and the day trips are working well with me and actually most guys I fly with like them unless they are commuting (which I understand). If I was a commuter I definitely would have left, but with having a family they are working great.

Based on careful observation of how the DOJ review phase of that merger played out I believe the DOJ fully intended to tank the AS/HA merger, they just needed to go through some bureaucratic motions to make it look like a reasoned decision.

As part of that process they agreed to a specific timeline... both parties had some obligations but DOJ agreed to either oppose it after a 90 day or review or let it go. They fully intended to oppose.

Then there was this debate thing, and the election became ugly with the incumbents looking to lose over economic issues.

I think the administration told DOJ to not oppose, to avoid economy-unfriendly optics in the runup to the election. The passive aggressive manner in which they let the clock run out on the review period kind of supports that suspicion.

I don't know if DOJ would have succeeded in court, but I'm convinced they damn well intended to try, until they got waved off by the big guy.

I can guarantee you that the ****s Merrick Garland and Jonathan Kanter, especially the latter, wanted to tank it. They are zealots that need to be unemployed.