The same ones who said you’d get another bite at the apple?

Oooof I felt that one.

IDK why yall are getting mad at me I was just reporting directly what I was told from a rep. Unless you are mad about what he said and would prefer less pay under a bankrupcy contract and or JCBA?

You either misunderstood the rep, or he too feasted on paint chips as a child like yourself.

A bankruptcy contract will not yield higher rates for Spirit pilots. Many of us have been through a bankruptcy (or two) and know what happens in those situations.

But sure, be the angry man, you have it figured out. Good luck.

Nope, he's a good friend of mine. We've talked about it a lot. Bankrupcy contract has been disscused in depth at meetings. What previous alpa contracts have been slashed in bankrupcy court when said airline was already making 20% less than their peers? (And no our peers are not Allegiant, Breeze, Avelo). Bankrupcy court ordered union contracts are not based on a company's business model.

Soooo the bankruptcy arbitrator is going to say, “Whelp! You guys are making significantly less than your peers and your airline STILL can’t make money. Maybe *increasing* company payroll and financial obligations will help to clear its debt. Here’s a raise!”?

Serious question, what keeps Allegiant from being your peer? Isn't their business model nearly the same except profitable?

Haha. Like I said, dude eats paint chips. Worse is he believes this is accurate

Best case scenario is an 1113 motion is filed by the company and the judge rejects it because the company did not show:

“ the authorized representative of the employees has refused to accept such proposal without good cause”

Spirit will say we make more than Frontier, Breeze, Avelo Allegiant and other lower paid airlines, so the 1113 motion should be approved

NK ALPA will say we make less than AA, DAL, UAL, HA, JBLU and Alaska, so the motion should be denied

Judge will decide. But there is NOTHING in code 1113 that allows a judge to increase pay. Besides the insanity of the notion, it isn’t the law. It’s either reject the CBA, or reject the motion.

Nothing prevents this, because it has been the opinion of the NMB in the past that Allegiant, Frontier, and Spirit should be peers as far as pilot compensation is concerned.

I believe it would be a bit more accurate to say reject the parts of the cba the company has proposed to modify.
That’s usually pay rates, retirements and sick. It’s tougher to get a judge to reject most work rules as they generally don’t understand how most work. which is why thier so valuable.