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rickair7777 01-29-2025 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3876385)
Pay disparity relating to differnt hourly rates is not a part of career expectations, like you said thats more dealing with heavy/nb. Its dealing with the equities each group brings in, and that those will be considered as well as the "ALPA 3" factors to be considered as well. Pay rates are equities brought in and referenced in the major ALPA mergers

Delta/Nw this was addressed as NW pilots would see higher pay from the merger because of the equities brought in by the DAL contract, "including the contract improvements that one pilot group will gain due to the merger.


Airways/American West-"taking into account in
balancing the equities the gains to US Airways pilots from America West’s higher pay
rates and better work rules"

Heck, even Pinnacle/Mesaba/Colgan addressed the fact that Pinnacle and Colgan pilots would benefit from the higher CRJ900 rates in their contract

The merger policy requires all equities to be weighed unique to the groups. One group making what, 20% more top end, will surely be raised by the NK merger committee and laywers.

F9 wll be able to use the equities of "we are the acquiring company," which they will. Both sides will use what they have. But this is why JBLU did not want NK pilots snapped up and why NK pilots wont advocate for F9 pilots to be snapped up

The weighting for pay disparity will be negligible. If you're NK don't expect a 15% boost in seniority.

After being offset by BK, it could be a wash.

CincoDeMayo 01-29-2025 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3876403)
The weighting for pay disparity will be negligible. If you're NK don't expect a 15% boost in seniority.

After being offset by BK, it could be a wash.

Ah, but that isn’t wasn’t you said. You said it won’t factor, and now you’re backtracking against what you said. And nobody claimed a 15% boost, don’t try to straw man your way out of this .

And the amount it will factor is unknown by you or me, and will be decided by an arbitrator(s)
You have no idea how much it will be weighed but it will be weighed.

Not trying to bust chops but you’re always way too eager to hop on any topic and lay down “facts” that are not facts at all

rickair7777 01-31-2025 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3876411)
Ah, but that isn’t wasn’t you said. You said it won’t factor, and now you’re backtracking against what you said. And nobody claimed a 15% boost, don’t try to straw man your way out of this .

And the amount it will factor is unknown by you or me, and will be decided by an arbitrator(s)
You have no idea how much it will be weighed but it will be weighed.

Not trying to bust chops but you’re always way too eager to hop on any topic and lay down “facts” that are not facts at all

It's not facts, we'll know the facts when and if the deal is done.

It's my opinion based on living through it recently. Trying to help cage some folk's gyros about what's "fair" vs. how merger policy has been interpreted and precedent set in recent similar mergers.

GoCats67 02-02-2025 09:57 AM

I know that the original announcement was for 330 furloughs on last Friday. Did that get reduced at all either by voluntary furloughs or attrition by folks leaving for other carriers?

golf59 02-02-2025 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by GoCats67 (Post 3878540)
I know that the original announcement was for 330 furloughs on last Friday. Did that get reduced at all either by voluntary furloughs or attrition by folks leaving for other carriers?

Yes. Something like 60 voluntary and another 60 cancellations before the most recent cancellation bid last week.

checkgear 02-02-2025 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by GoCats67 (Post 3878540)
I know that the original announcement was for 330 furloughs on last Friday. Did that get reduced at all either by voluntary furloughs or attrition by folks leaving for other carriers?

100 furloughs cancelled and 36 downgrades cancelled.

TadKrusty 02-09-2025 06:03 AM

ORD alone, at least 10 Captains are leaving in the next 30 days plus a 14 year+ check airmen. Soon, the blind leading the blind, controlled by a former glorified part 141 instructor and an airbus expert w/no line experince.

GoCats67 02-09-2025 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by TadKrusty (Post 3881213)
ORD alone, at least 10 Captains are leaving in the next 30 days plus a 14 year+ check airmen. Soon, the blind leading the blind, controlled by a former glorified part 141 instructor and an airbus expert w/no line experince.

Currently showing 63 "unfilled" 320 First Officer positions in ORD on the vacancy bid for UA that closes on Tuesday. So, if the ORD folks are coming to UA, it looks pretty good for getting an ORD slot on the 320.

Also unfilled 320 FOs out in SFO

The 737 FOs unfilleds are in EWR, LAS, LAX and SFO for those that care. DEN and IAH still going super junior, but nothing unfilled.

No "unfilled" Captain slots for awhile. I guess you can never say never as far as that happening again, but that ship has certainly sailed for the time being.

Alexjones 02-09-2025 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by TadKrusty (Post 3881213)
ORD alone, at least 10 Captains are leaving in the next 30 days plus a 14 year+ check airmen. Soon, the blind leading the blind, controlled by a former glorified part 141 instructor and an airbus expert w/no line experince.


Similar situation for us in DFW I know 8 captains who have start dates late Feb with a few more waiting on a class.

and 60 percent of DFW FO’s say they have CJOs and are waiting

TadKrusty 02-09-2025 07:44 AM

Why buy spirit with its negative view by the traveling public when you can hire their pilots and get everything else once they liquidate. I'm sure part of the company will be bought off by F9 or the likes.. but realistically, the parts are worth more than than the sum of the whole.. I just don't see a legacy or even SWA wanting NK as a whole. Obviously I do not make any decisions greater than, "start two or single engine taxi?"


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