Spirit Now Sure As It Emerges From Bankruptcy
08-24-2025 | 05:20 PM
#1343
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How much is pilot payroll per year? What percentage would you have to cut it for the company to break even? 3000 pilots at 300,000 per year is $900 million. Cut your pay by 50 percent, company saves $450 million. Is that enough? Would you really be willing to cut your pay by 50 percent knowing it’s a stop gap? If you get downgraded, it will be even worse. Can you afford to be a first officer making 30 percent of what you currently make? All to save 10 years seniority. At a certain point, it doesn’t make sense anymore. Just start over at a legacy and accept that maybe Spirit wasn’t the best airline to bet a career on.
It’s a bad situation to be in. I’ve said this before. I hope if works out.
It’s a bad situation to be in. I’ve said this before. I hope if works out.
08-24-2025 | 06:04 PM
#1344
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Just posting the latest and greatest group chat rumors. Might as well post the Southwest one while we’re here.
“Sunday morning industry buzz that WN IS kicking the tires for a possible NK asset buyout.
Speculation that WN would buy 60% of Spirit fleet and keeping most of NK international markets but they relocating the Hub and spoke feed to MCO from FLL.
In addition they would keep several Domestic destinations to apese congressional support by offering more connecting opportunities to WN vast network.
WN would give back and sale lucrative gate space and Slots at Major airports like
ORD,LAX, IAH, DFW, ATL, EWR,LGA, SAN, BOS and several other airports across the United States. This would open up and allow for new competition to have access to these congested markets bringing the United States consumers more choices.
WN would keep 54 A321 and 45 A320 aircraft.
The 45 A320 aircraft will eventually be replaced with the 737 MAX8/MAX7 over 5 years.
They remaining 29 A321 NEO on order would be switched the A321XLR to further facilitate WN further long Haul international abilities.
The remaining NK aircraft would be returned to the leasing companies or sold on the open market.
WN would retain NK international tickets sales team and IT infrastructure to support WN foreign sales platforms.
WN would retain NK pilots, FA and MX staffing and work to transitions excess employees into the WN workforce until everything is fully integrated at or before 2030.“
“Sunday morning industry buzz that WN IS kicking the tires for a possible NK asset buyout.
Speculation that WN would buy 60% of Spirit fleet and keeping most of NK international markets but they relocating the Hub and spoke feed to MCO from FLL.
In addition they would keep several Domestic destinations to apese congressional support by offering more connecting opportunities to WN vast network.
WN would give back and sale lucrative gate space and Slots at Major airports like
ORD,LAX, IAH, DFW, ATL, EWR,LGA, SAN, BOS and several other airports across the United States. This would open up and allow for new competition to have access to these congested markets bringing the United States consumers more choices.
WN would keep 54 A321 and 45 A320 aircraft.
The 45 A320 aircraft will eventually be replaced with the 737 MAX8/MAX7 over 5 years.
They remaining 29 A321 NEO on order would be switched the A321XLR to further facilitate WN further long Haul international abilities.
The remaining NK aircraft would be returned to the leasing companies or sold on the open market.
WN would retain NK international tickets sales team and IT infrastructure to support WN foreign sales platforms.
WN would retain NK pilots, FA and MX staffing and work to transitions excess employees into the WN workforce until everything is fully integrated at or before 2030.“
How would they operate the airbus without NKs certificate? And why take on, and then immediately phase out 45 a320s?
Ain't nobody gonna surrender slots and gates over this bs
Literally stinks AI....
08-25-2025 | 06:03 AM
#1345
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Technically, for another month or so.
They retained that logo for about six years with VX airbii in Eskimo paint.
They might continue to retain it by the mild subterfuge of only applying it to AS paint boeing aircraft. Seems disingenuous to me.
They retained that logo for about six years with VX airbii in Eskimo paint.
They might continue to retain it by the mild subterfuge of only applying it to AS paint boeing aircraft. Seems disingenuous to me.
08-25-2025 | 06:11 AM
#1346
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Just posting the latest and greatest group chat rumors. Might as well post the Southwest one while we’re here.
“Sunday morning industry buzz that WN IS kicking the tires for a possible NK asset buyout.
Speculation that WN would buy 60% of Spirit fleet and keeping most of NK international markets but they relocating the Hub and spoke feed to MCO from FLL.
In addition they would keep several Domestic destinations to apese congressional support by offering more connecting opportunities to WN vast network.
WN would give back and sale lucrative gate space and Slots at Major airports like
ORD,LAX, IAH, DFW, ATL, EWR,LGA, SAN, BOS and several other airports across the United States. This would open up and allow for new competition to have access to these congested markets bringing the United States consumers more choices.
WN would keep 54 A321 and 45 A320 aircraft.
The 45 A320 aircraft will eventually be replaced with the 737 MAX8/MAX7 over 5 years.
They remaining 29 A321 NEO on order would be switched the A321XLR to further facilitate WN further long Haul international abilities.
The remaining NK aircraft would be returned to the leasing companies or sold on the open market.
WN would retain NK international tickets sales team and IT infrastructure to support WN foreign sales platforms.
WN would retain NK pilots, FA and MX staffing and work to transitions excess employees into the WN workforce until everything is fully integrated at or before 2030.“
“Sunday morning industry buzz that WN IS kicking the tires for a possible NK asset buyout.
Speculation that WN would buy 60% of Spirit fleet and keeping most of NK international markets but they relocating the Hub and spoke feed to MCO from FLL.
In addition they would keep several Domestic destinations to apese congressional support by offering more connecting opportunities to WN vast network.
WN would give back and sale lucrative gate space and Slots at Major airports like
ORD,LAX, IAH, DFW, ATL, EWR,LGA, SAN, BOS and several other airports across the United States. This would open up and allow for new competition to have access to these congested markets bringing the United States consumers more choices.
WN would keep 54 A321 and 45 A320 aircraft.
The 45 A320 aircraft will eventually be replaced with the 737 MAX8/MAX7 over 5 years.
They remaining 29 A321 NEO on order would be switched the A321XLR to further facilitate WN further long Haul international abilities.
The remaining NK aircraft would be returned to the leasing companies or sold on the open market.
WN would retain NK international tickets sales team and IT infrastructure to support WN foreign sales platforms.
WN would retain NK pilots, FA and MX staffing and work to transitions excess employees into the WN workforce until everything is fully integrated at or before 2030.“
Their management team has clear marching orders to do something, anything, that's different from the trad SWA business model.
That's looking to evolve into more international, maybe even widebodies, and changes to their service and route structure.
I'm not sure that adding a second NB fleet would do much for them, but who knows. If nothing else it would constitute "growth".
08-25-2025 | 07:38 AM
#1347
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Regardless of the provenance of this report (questionable), it's not implausible that WN might be looking at this kind of opportunistic move.
Their management team has clear marching orders to do something, anything, that's different from the trad SWA business model.
That's looking to evolve into more international, maybe even widebodies, and changes to their service and route structure.
I'm not sure that adding a second NB fleet would do much for them, but who knows. If nothing else it would constitute "growth".
Their management team has clear marching orders to do something, anything, that's different from the trad SWA business model.
That's looking to evolve into more international, maybe even widebodies, and changes to their service and route structure.
I'm not sure that adding a second NB fleet would do much for them, but who knows. If nothing else it would constitute "growth".
But I agree on the marching orders. When an activist investor is involved decisions don’t have to be rational.
08-25-2025 | 07:59 AM
#1348
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Just posting the latest and greatest group chat rumors. Might as well post the Southwest one while we’re here.
“Sunday morning industry buzz that WN IS kicking the tires for a possible NK asset buyout.
Speculation that WN would buy 60% of Spirit fleet and keeping most of NK international markets but they relocating the Hub and spoke feed to MCO from FLL.
In addition they would keep several Domestic destinations to apese congressional support by offering more connecting opportunities to WN vast network.
WN would give back and sale lucrative gate space and Slots at Major airports like
ORD,LAX, IAH, DFW, ATL, EWR,LGA, SAN, BOS and several other airports across the United States. This would open up and allow for new competition to have access to these congested markets bringing the United States consumers more choices.
WN would keep 54 A321 and 45 A320 aircraft.
The 45 A320 aircraft will eventually be replaced with the 737 MAX8/MAX7 over 5 years.
They remaining 29 A321 NEO on order would be switched the A321XLR to further facilitate WN further long Haul international abilities.
The remaining NK aircraft would be returned to the leasing companies or sold on the open market.
WN would retain NK international tickets sales team and IT infrastructure to support WN foreign sales platforms.
WN would retain NK pilots, FA and MX staffing and work to transitions excess employees into the WN workforce until everything is fully integrated at or before 2030.“
“Sunday morning industry buzz that WN IS kicking the tires for a possible NK asset buyout.
Speculation that WN would buy 60% of Spirit fleet and keeping most of NK international markets but they relocating the Hub and spoke feed to MCO from FLL.
In addition they would keep several Domestic destinations to apese congressional support by offering more connecting opportunities to WN vast network.
WN would give back and sale lucrative gate space and Slots at Major airports like
ORD,LAX, IAH, DFW, ATL, EWR,LGA, SAN, BOS and several other airports across the United States. This would open up and allow for new competition to have access to these congested markets bringing the United States consumers more choices.
WN would keep 54 A321 and 45 A320 aircraft.
The 45 A320 aircraft will eventually be replaced with the 737 MAX8/MAX7 over 5 years.
They remaining 29 A321 NEO on order would be switched the A321XLR to further facilitate WN further long Haul international abilities.
The remaining NK aircraft would be returned to the leasing companies or sold on the open market.
WN would retain NK international tickets sales team and IT infrastructure to support WN foreign sales platforms.
WN would retain NK pilots, FA and MX staffing and work to transitions excess employees into the WN workforce until everything is fully integrated at or before 2030.“
08-25-2025 | 09:00 AM
#1349
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Adding Airbus
This is hopeful speculation at best, but the addition of gates and NKs international routes does have some advantages for WN. NKs future deliveries could be altered with Airbus or sold. They could even sell/lease current A320/A321.
Worth noting that Airbus already has flying aircraft that could fill in for WNs future growth plans -the A220 and the 321XLR. Southwest will have to divorce the 737 at some point. The max should never have been built and there will not be another variant. That platform is not future proof like the Airbus platform, i.e. fleet commonality, EICAS and avionics
08-25-2025 | 09:08 AM
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