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Old 08-27-2025 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris
Just to add some context, we are almost DOUBLE the size of all those carriers you mentioned COMBINED.

Not that it matters, but Spirit will be much smaller when the doors actually close. The process has already started just like Eastern, Pan Am, Braniff, and the rest of them.
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Old 08-27-2025 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by MANTOGASRS
Not that it matters, but Spirit will be much smaller when the doors actually close
I need to borrow your magic 8 ball sometime.
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Old 08-27-2025 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris
I need to borrow your magic 8 ball sometime.

Hope isn’t a plan Lincoln
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Old 08-27-2025 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Any idea how 363 plays into fragmentation?

Any frag language at all? But that's pretty complicated stuff, and CBA provisions could get tossed in Ch 11 anyway. 121 to 121 transfer might require that pilots go with planes, but what if the planes made a 30-day stop at a holding company first? Etc, etc.
Historically, leased aircraft "transferring" to a new operator had not triggered fragmentation protections. One case was United taking the 757-300 from ATA. As I recall, because the aircraft technically were returned to the lessor as their first stop on their way to UAL, there were no protections for crews.

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Old 08-27-2025 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris
I need to borrow your magic 8 ball sometime.
It’s the same 8 ball VNAVPATH uses too! Because they’re the same person! I wonder though if they know they’re the same person? I bet Halon knows; he’s the host personality. Dissociative identity disorder is a hard on a family and a forum community.
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Old 08-27-2025 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by LNAVVNAVPATH
Franke isn’t going to walk in and buy this entire thing. The property has to be sold for a price higher than the lein on the property. You think Frontier has this kind of cash?
Most interested parties will likely bring other investors along in the deal.
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Old 08-27-2025 | 01:34 PM
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Someone beat me to it
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Old 08-27-2025 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Stayontarget
Most interested parties will likely bring other investors along in the deal.
Buy what? The 76 airplanes that won’t have engines hanging on them come 2027? The other 60 leased airplanes that will go back to the lessors? Buy the Operating Certificate so that the acquiring party can reap the benefits of the strong customer base and their brand loyalty to the stellar service spirit has provided the past 10 years? Buy the singular sim Spirit sponsored? Maybe the new Training Center it shares with Atlas like a roommate that moved into help cover the rent? Buy the valuable route network that offers Cleveland to Cancun on Tuesdays and Fridays and every other Saturday?

Outside of the CEOs that actually work, to which no US Carrier has thus far decided was a good enough deal to make an offer on, what do we have to offer to a large group of investors?
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Old 08-27-2025 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by LNAVVNAVPATH
Buy what? The 76 airplanes that won’t have engines hanging on them come 2027? The other 60 leased airplanes that will go back to the lessors? Buy the Operating Certificate so that the acquiring party can reap the benefits of the strong customer base and their brand loyalty to the stellar service spirit has provided the past 10 years? Buy the singular sim Spirit sponsored? Maybe the new Training Center it shares with Atlas like a roommate that moved into help cover the rent? Buy the valuable route network that offers Cleveland to Cancun on Tuesdays and Fridays and every other Saturday?

Outside of the CEOs that actually work, to which no US Carrier has thus far decided was a good enough deal to make an offer on, what do we have to offer to a large group of investors?
You are clearly emotional still and aren’t thinking clearly so I’m just going to move on.
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Old 08-27-2025 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Stayontarget
You are clearly emotional still and aren’t thinking clearly so I’m just going to move on.

Spirit pilots are extremely emotional driven individuals
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