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Old 09-16-2025 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by SmitteyB
Is the NK D-T-Z dependent at ALL on staffing?

What is to stop the entire cadre of pilots of dropping to 0 and not do any flying?
Theres a red/green grid that goes with DTZ
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Old 09-20-2025 | 10:56 AM
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Old 09-21-2025 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
Theres a red/green grid that goes with DTZ

Thanks for the info. How many folks are actually dropping to zero before the grid goes red? I’m trying to understand the actual utility of the provision.
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Old 09-21-2025 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by LongHornFlyer
Just thinking out loud…if they could furlough down to that number, then I think they would already be doing that. They still need the bodies to fly the planes.
they will furlough more as soon as the TA passes. This is classic scare tactics. But this pilot group can’t see the truth. Or doesn’t want to.

100 million won’t make a difference on its own. But the effect of slashing the CBA will make a difference when/if/how we roll into F9.
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Old 09-21-2025 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SmitteyB
Thanks for the info. How many folks are actually dropping to zero before the grid goes red? I’m trying to understand the actual utility of the provision.
Think of it as a “free market”.

As guys drop trips, guys will pick up trips, so something might go red, and then green again.

Senior bases will see more green than red because the demand for trips is greater than the dropping of trips, so grid remains highly green as guys from other bases drop and pick up in the senior base.

Likewise junior bases will go red early and stay red because of the dropping as guys are trying to drop and then pick up in another base.

This was (maybe still) an issue with DFW and IAH. Guys would drop in IAH to pick up in DFW. So IAH would have a lot of red and DFW would remain almost all green.
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Old 09-22-2025 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by fw90
they will furlough more as soon as the TA passes. This is classic scare tactics. But this pilot group can’t see the truth. Or doesn’t want to.

100 million won’t make a difference on its own. But the effect of slashing the CBA will make a difference when/if/how we roll into F9.
This needed repeating. Respectfully it’s not my place to comment from the bleachers as those of us looking in aren’t faced with the pressures that you NK pilots are currently faced with.

With that said, I’d humbly ask that you look at airline history on which way to approach concessions. That history will point you towards “Max pay until the last day”. Your concessions aren’t going to save NK.

If a JCBA with F9 is in your futures, what pay scale and contract would you like your negotiations to start from? Think long term.
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Old 09-22-2025 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by fw90
But this pilot group can’t see the truth. Or doesn’t want to.
you have no clue what you are talking about because “this pilot group” didn’t even get a chance to say no, so keep your nasty comments to yourself when you don’t understand the whole picture.

The survey we were given didn’t say do we want to give concessions: yes or no? It was about how we want to get screwed.
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Old 09-22-2025 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by emergencyexit
you have no clue what you are talking about because “this pilot group” didn’t even get a chance to say no, so keep your nasty comments to yourself when you don’t understand the whole picture.

The survey we were given didn’t say do we want to give concessions: yes or no? It was about how we want to get screwed.
Are you not able to vote down whatever TA they put forward? I assume it’s mostly drafted and it seems like the survey was to make it feel like you had a say
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Old 09-22-2025 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by checkgear
Are you not able to vote down whatever TA they put forward? I assume it’s mostly drafted and it seems like the survey was to make it feel like you had a say
sorry didn’t mean to sound harsh .. but there’s a lot of “you guys need to do this” type of statements in here … yea they basically sent us a survey saying we’re giving in to the $100m, how would you like it to be given? lol - with about 2 options
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Old 09-22-2025 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by emergencyexit
sorry didn’t mean to sound harsh .. but there’s a lot of “you guys need to do this” type of statements in here … yea they basically sent us a survey saying we’re giving in to the $100m, how would you like it to be given? lol - with about 2 options
Get into your ByLaws because usually a major change to your contract a membership vote is REQUIRED.
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