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Old 09-13-2025 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Ramtony31
In what parallel universe was Spirit’s contract ever considered good? It had the lowest pay in the nation for years and the weakest 401k contribution compared to any of the decent career airlines. What am I missing?
you’re joking right?

they were the highest paid airbus pilots at one point. They had fantastic reserve rules at one point which they later gave up along with accepting PBS to get a pay raise. They still have some of the best schedule flexibility and work rules for line-holders out of any US carrier, and their x/y list for premium combined with those work rules gives them a lot of power to move their schedule around, work as much or as little as they want, and much more opportunities for premium.
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Old 09-13-2025 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Ramtony31
In what parallel universe was Spirit’s contract ever considered good? It had the lowest pay in the nation for years and the weakest 401k contribution compared to any of the decent career airlines. What am I missing?
Originally Posted by Freds Ex
you’re joking right?

they were the highest paid airbus pilots at one point. They had fantastic reserve rules at one point which they later gave up along with accepting PBS to get a pay raise. They still have some of the best schedule flexibility and work rules for line-holders out of any US carrier, and their x/y list for premium combined with those work rules gives them a lot of power to move their schedule around, work as much or as little as they want, and much more opportunities for premium.
Objectively it wasn't bad, but I'd say it had features which were highly beneficial to people with specific interests, say those who prioritized flexibility.

Not a particularly good contract by industry standards. Yes there have been ups and downs over the years but I'm talking about 2025.
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Old 09-13-2025 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Freds Ex
you’re joking right?

they were the highest paid airbus pilots at one point. They had fantastic reserve rules at one point which they later gave up along with accepting PBS to get a pay raise. They still have some of the best schedule flexibility and work rules for line-holders out of any US carrier, and their x/y list for premium combined with those work rules gives them a lot of power to move their schedule around, work as much or as little as they want, and much more opportunities for premium.

Highest paid Airbus pilots at one point, that’s hilarious. For the past decade or more, Spirit has consistently paid the least for the A320, period. The 401k contributions have also been lower, because it was baked into their business model: cheap labor, growth, cheap labor, more growth, and cheap fares. Sure, you could drop to zero and pick up open time, but the same can be done at most airlines if you put in the effort. Accepting the lowest pay in the industry for decades was never a good deal.
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Old 09-13-2025 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Ramtony31
Highest paid Airbus pilots at one point, that’s hilarious. For the past decade or more, Spirit has consistently paid the least for the A320, period. The 401k contributions have also been lower, because it was baked into their business model: cheap labor, growth, cheap labor, more growth, and cheap fares. Sure, you could drop to zero and pick up open time, but the same can be done at most airlines if you put in the effort. Accepting the lowest pay in the industry for decades was never a good deal.

you’re just wrong. They definitely weren’t cheap labor
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Old 09-13-2025 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Ramtony31
Highest paid Airbus pilots at one point, that’s hilarious. For the past decade or more, Spirit has consistently paid the least for the A320, period. The 401k contributions have also been lower, because it was baked into their business model: cheap labor, growth, cheap labor, more growth, and cheap fares. Sure, you could drop to zero and pick up open time, but the same can be done at most airlines if you put in the effort. Accepting the lowest pay in the industry for decades was never a good deal.
Clown comment. I can count many airlines that paid less that NK for the Airbus. And don’t get too excited over a 401k contribution that is 1% higher at some other airlines vs NK…1%. At AA we are going to 18% next year, you JBLU boys going to 18% too?

You really come off like a clown with these comments.

Good luck at JBLU….you’re going to NEED it
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Old 09-13-2025 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Ramtony31
Highest paid Airbus pilots at one point, that’s hilarious. For the past decade or more, Spirit has consistently paid the least for the A320, period. The 401k contributions have also been lower, because it was baked into their business model: cheap labor, growth, cheap labor, more growth, and cheap fares. Sure, you could drop to zero and pick up open time, but the same can be done at most airlines if you put in the effort. Accepting the lowest pay in the industry for decades was never a good deal.
Looks like somebody got a little too buzzed while chugging the blue juice!
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Old 09-13-2025 | 10:06 PM
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So, it looks like JetBlue is joining United and Frontier in the fun.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/jetblu...QNYd6afGXjHj-w
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Old 09-14-2025 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Ramtony31
Highest paid Airbus pilots at one point, that’s hilarious. For the past decade or more, Spirit has consistently paid the least for the A320, period. The 401k contributions have also been lower, because it was baked into their business model: cheap labor, growth, cheap labor, more growth, and cheap fares. Sure, you could drop to zero and pick up open time, but the same can be done at most airlines if you put in the effort. Accepting the lowest pay in the industry for decades was never a good deal.
this is completely wrong. You absolutely can not Drop down to zero ANYWHERE as easily as you could at Nk, you could spend all day, everyday trying to drop at AA, UAL & DAL and some months it just isnt possible.

Good luck at JB, I know you must be incredibly stressed with how poor your airline is doing but dont disparage NK pilots and their contract. NK Pilots went on Strike, you guys took how many times to vote in a Union?

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Old 09-15-2025 | 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by GPullR
nobody wants CEO airbuses. Both united and American are getting rid of all of their 320s next few years. They are worth whatever the recycle yard will pay for them .
This would be news to AA.
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Old 09-15-2025 | 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy
this is completely wrong. You absolutely can not Drop down to zero ANYWHERE as easily as you could at Nk, you could spend all day, everyday trying to drop at AA, UAL & DAL and some months it just isnt possible.

Good luck at JB, I know you must be incredibly stressed with how poor your airline is doing but dont disparage NK pilots and their contract. NK Pilots went on Strike, you guys took how many times to vote in a Union?
Are we still arguing over drop to zero on Spirits deathbed? That argument was stale two years ago.
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