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Old 12-30-2025 | 06:31 AM
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Spirit is about to pivot to a strategic transaction at a premium price and pilots are going to get their $280 million when the airline is sold. Spirit is not liquidating and never was. The question now is who is going to pay the most to acquire them. Will it be Southwest like I have been saying or will it be Frontier, Alaska, or American? My bet is still on Southwest. To all the gloom and doomers that have been spreading FUD for the last 4 months you are about to be proven wrong.
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Old 12-30-2025 | 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyFlorida2025
Spirit is about to pivot to a strategic transaction at a premium price and pilots are going to get their $280 million when the airline is sold. Spirit is not liquidating and never was. The question now is who is going to pay the most to acquire them. Will it be Southwest like I have been saying or will it be Frontier, Alaska, or American? My bet is still on Southwest. To all the gloom and doomers that have been spreading FUD for the last 4 months you are about to be proven wrong.
What you lack in creativity with your trolling, you make up for it with consistency.
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Old 12-30-2025 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyFlorida2025
Spirit is about to pivot to a strategic transaction at a premium price and pilots are going to get their $280 million when the airline is sold. Spirit is not liquidating and never was. The question now is who is going to pay the most to acquire them. Will it be Southwest like I have been saying or will it be Frontier, Alaska, or American? My bet is still on Southwest. To all the gloom and doomers that have been spreading FUD for the last 4 months you are about to be proven wrong.
I don't think he's wrong. If you look at what they are doing on the docket, Spirit and it's creditors are setting up for a transaction. the most interesting thing is the most recent DIP amendment makes adjustments to the payment waterfalls and recovery rights of creditors.

If you amend those portions, then later agree to a transaction, you'd have to redo your work on the DIP amendment, so the amendment implies there is a transaction agreement whose details are known to the creditors.

Spirit also elected to defer the deadline to reject or retain certain leases, and I believe they have also opted to not reject certain aircraft. That's an action that could comport with maintaining the estate for a change of ownership.

Secondly, the DIP strongly rewards cash in favor of other assets like debt, equity, or other assets. Southwest fits that hole, but so do other airlines like Alaska - airlines with the balance sheet to please creditors. Whether they want to, I don't know.

What I do know is that there were three bidders for Spirit as of November. One of those was Frontier. Frontiers problem is they don't have a lot of cash, their debt is crappy, and equity is also bad. Their business is also low yielding or even money losing. Frontier will have to put down a lot of cash if they want to win a bid, to the point the success of the integration and turn around could be jeopardized. While the DIP and secured creditors may not care cause they'll cash out, the UCC and EC wouldn't like having their debts equities into that situation.

A bigger and better capitalized airline isn't going to have these issues, and now is likely the friendliest antitrust environment you can expect for awhile. Nows the time.

I hope it's Southwest, not quite there on thinking it has to be. I strongly suspect it isn't Frontier though.
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Old 12-30-2025 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyFlorida2025
Spirit is about to pivot to a strategic transaction at a premium price and pilots are going to get their $280 million when the airline is sold. Spirit is not liquidating and never was. The question now is who is going to pay the most to acquire them. Will it be Southwest like I have been saying or will it be Frontier, Alaska, or American? My bet is still on Southwest. To all the gloom and doomers that have been spreading FUD for the last 4 months you are about to be proven wrong.
About to? Can you give us a date on that since you seem to be in the know?
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Old 12-30-2025 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by SnowmanKiller
I don't think he's wrong. If you look at what they are doing on the docket, Spirit and it's creditors are setting up for a transaction. the most interesting thing is the most recent DIP amendment makes adjustments to the payment waterfalls and recovery rights of creditors.

If you amend those portions, then later agree to a transaction, you'd have to redo your work on the DIP amendment, so the amendment implies there is a transaction agreement whose details are known to the creditors.

Spirit also elected to defer the deadline to reject or retain certain leases, and I believe they have also opted to not reject certain aircraft. That's an action that could comport with maintaining the estate for a change of ownership.

Secondly, the DIP strongly rewards cash in favor of other assets like debt, equity, or other assets. Southwest fits that hole, but so do other airlines like Alaska - airlines with the balance sheet to please creditors. Whether they want to, I don't know.

What I do know is that there were three bidders for Spirit as of November. One of those was Frontier. Frontiers problem is they don't have a lot of cash, their debt is crappy, and equity is also bad. Their business is also low yielding or even money losing. Frontier will have to put down a lot of cash if they want to win a bid, to the point the success of the integration and turn around could be jeopardized. While the DIP and secured creditors may not care cause they'll cash out, the UCC and EC wouldn't like having their debts equities into that situation.

A bigger and better capitalized airline isn't going to have these issues, and now is likely the friendliest antitrust environment you can expect for awhile. Nows the time.

I hope it's Southwest, not quite there on thinking it has to be. I strongly suspect it isn't Frontier though.
So domestic yields have been horrible for quite a few quarters. Probably a couple of years. The largest domestic airline also has had horrible yields. Up to recently, the network carriers domestic yield's haven't been great either. Most of their high yields come from outside the US. Another words their is alot of ASM's chasing not many profitable RPM's. So you want an airline that had a 7% market share to merge with an airline that has a 16% market share. Which would do what? The largest overlap of Spirit was SWA. Just by the elimination of ASM's you get a better outcome on yields. So that is just the P&L side of things. Thats math. As far as the balance sheet, SWA has been spending lots of money buying back stock since the restriction was lifted due to the COVID money. I doubt senior management can ever sell the idea of buying Spirit to the BOD and more importantly the top 5 shareholders of SWA. One is very vocal. That transaction would certainly have to issue treasury stock which would dilute equity. After buying back $2.5 Billion in stockbuy back's, I doubt the BOD would even consider it. SWA's debt to EBITDAR would sky rocket. It would easily surpass the network carriers and ALK. The pillars of cashflows, balance sheet and the income statements would be stressed quite a bit. Wallstreet would not be happy. Bigger doesn't' necessarily mean better. AAL is very large airline yet their margins are not great. The quality of the network(ASM's, yields, market share in high yielding markets) is what matters. SWA is best to be on its own for now.
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Old 12-30-2025 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SnowmanKiller
I don't think he's wrong. If you look at what they are doing on the docket, Spirit and it's creditors are setting up for a transaction. the most interesting thing is the most recent DIP amendment makes adjustments to the payment waterfalls and recovery rights of creditors.
You're right that something is getting ready to happen. Debevoise & Plimpton LLP just filed an application as counsel for Spirit in BK court as of yesterday. They have presided over a number of 363 asset sales. One notable one was High Ridge Brands, which includes products like Zest, Coast, Alberto VO5, Reach toothbrushes, etc which were acquired by different companies. The good news was when these products were acquired the employees just went to work for the new owner since they were compartmentally separate products. Not sure how that would work for employees where the entire airline isn't acquired and where the employees would go but its not out of the question for a single 363 acquirer to buy the remaining assets if they can get it without the debt.

The question is will the 363 sale be large enough that one acquirer buys enough assets to be forced to take all the employees or will the creditors just want an auction sale of assets to maximize their return?
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Old 12-30-2025 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by REF 5
So domestic yields have been horrible for quite a few quarters. Probably a couple of years. The largest domestic airline also has had horrible yields. Up to recently, the network carriers domestic yield's haven't been great either. Most of their high yields come from outside the US. Another words their is alot of ASM's chasing not many profitable RPM's. So you want an airline that had a 7% market share to merge with an airline that has a 16% market share. Which would do what? The largest overlap of Spirit was SWA. Just by the elimination of ASM's you get a better outcome on yields. So that is just the P&L side of things. Thats math. As far as the balance sheet, SWA has been spending lots of money buying back stock since the restriction was lifted due to the COVID money. I doubt senior management can ever sell the idea of buying Spirit to the BOD and more importantly the top 5 shareholders of SWA. One is very vocal. That transaction would certainly have to issue treasury stock which would dilute equity. After buying back $2.5 Billion in stockbuy back's, I doubt the BOD would even consider it. SWA's debt to EBITDAR would sky rocket. It would easily surpass the network carriers and ALK. The pillars of cashflows, balance sheet and the income statements would be stressed quite a bit. Wallstreet would not be happy. Bigger doesn't' necessarily mean better. AAL is very large airline yet their margins are not great. The quality of the network(ASM's, yields, market share in high yielding markets) is what matters. SWA is best to be on its own for now.
7% market share? Idk if Spirit was ever that high. Now with the fleet cut in half its gotta be around 3% now if that.
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Old 12-30-2025 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
You're right that something is getting ready to happen. Debevoise & Plimpton LLP just filed an application as counsel for Spirit in BK court as of yesterday. They have presided over a number of 363 asset sales. One notable one was High Ridge Brands, which includes products like Zest, Coast, Alberto VO5, Reach toothbrushes, etc which were acquired by different companies. The good news was when these products were acquired the employees just went to work for the new owner since they were compartmentally separate products. Not sure how that would work for employees where the entire airline isn't acquired and where the employees would go but its not out of the question for a single 363 acquirer to buy the remaining assets if they can get it without the debt.

The question is will the 363 sale be large enough that one acquirer buys enough assets to be forced to take all the employees or will the creditors just want an auction sale of assets to maximize their return?
They’ve represented Spirit for years in multiple differing transactions; namely both previous merger attempts by Frontier and JetBlue.
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Old 12-30-2025 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris
7% market share? Idk if Spirit was ever that high. Now with the fleet cut in half its gotta be around 3% now if that.
Spirit is on track to do about $2.87B in annual revenue in 2026 at the current rate if it stops shrinking. Given that the US total airline revenue is $250B this makes Spirit a 1.2% market share for revenue, obviously a little higher for total seats, emplacements or ASMs.
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Old 12-30-2025 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by SterileMan
They’ve represented Spirit for years in multiple differing transactions; namely both previous merger attempts by Frontier and JetBlue.
Then its good to have one of the firms be experienced with 363 asset sales.
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