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Normann 02-12-2015 04:22 PM
Originally Posted by Merlyn (Post 1824396)
I voted No. I lost. I'll move on. But it disturbs me that we just traded a work rule (13 days min guarantee down to 11) for one hour of pay (13 day off line, company had to drop a 2 day trip minimum to bring you back to 13 off and pay you for it 9 hours now given up for 10 hours. A difference of 1 hour. You guys and girls are certainly cheap dates.

I hope contact negotiations last until my retirement date so I don't have to read what other perks you trade away for pennies and suffer the consequences.

I need a beer...
Can you quote me the CBA and show me which work rule did we end up trading away by voting yes? What section defined that work rule? I am trying to learn something here before I get my own beer.

JoeyMeatballs 02-12-2015 04:39 PM
Some of you guys need to get laid. This LOA passing isn't the end of world for christake.

gonyon 02-12-2015 04:39 PM
Spirit of NKS
 
Drama queens

gonyon 02-12-2015 04:40 PM
Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs (Post 1824601)
Some of you guys need to get laid. This LOA passing isn't the end of world for christake.

This
Flrrr

falcon2000aj 02-12-2015 05:09 PM
Nobody said it was the end of the world. Voting on a two year contract extension may be, though..

Balder 02-12-2015 05:09 PM
Originally Posted by ManFlex (Post 1824358)
They aren't going to offer a raise and keep everything else status quo. The cheapest management in the business won't 'give' us anything. Any raise will have to be hard fought or paid for in work rule give-aways. Which will this pilot group choose?
The concept you are describing is plain wrong, ManFlex. We are in the process of "taking it back" here, for the sake of our profession. Every airline pilot group out there are making gains in their contracts, rightly so. We will make significant gains, too.

WaveRider 02-12-2015 05:59 PM
Originally Posted by Balder (Post 1824621)
The concept you are describing is plain wrong, ManFlex. We are in the process of "taking it back" here, for the sake of our profession. Every airline pilot group out there are making gains in their contracts, rightly so. We will make significant gains, too.
Don't feed the tin foil hat wearing group.....
They live on here, and thrive on this....
"Pumps on high descent checks"
Types....
SMH....

Qotsaautopilot 02-12-2015 06:38 PM
Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs (Post 1824601)
Some of you guys need to get laid. This LOA passing isn't the end of world for christake.
Listen I have a newborn. I KNOW.

Btw I voted no because of the staffing concession but group has spoken and I'm fine with that until I've been here 10+ years and they vote wrong. When that happens I'm making stickers and am going to complain all trip every trip about something that happened 5 years ago.

ManFlex 02-12-2015 06:44 PM
Originally Posted by Balder (Post 1824621)
The concept you are describing is plain wrong, ManFlex. We are in the process of "taking it back" here, for the sake of our profession. Every airline pilot group out there are making gains in their contracts, rightly so. We will make significant gains, too.
I don't think you guys are reading what I'm actually writing. I am willing to fight the good fight and I can financially weather a prolonged strike. We deserve and should fight for a great CBA. I just don't believe for a second that management, without condition, is going to offer us a 34% pay raise and allow everything else to stay status quo. Oh, and offer this sometime in 2015 or 2016. Guys hoping for this or even believing this is likely are going to be disappointed (not to mention more than rates need fixing). Our gains will be made in section 6. Look at your ID badge and refresh your memory as to which management team you work for. No Richard Anderson or Herb Kelleher here. Sorry.

ManFlex 02-12-2015 06:48 PM
Originally Posted by BE02Driverz (Post 1824373)
Isn't this thought process detrimental to us all? Why should you have to "give up" something when in fact the Spirit pilot group has been "giving up" much in the way of lower than industry stds in about every aspect of their contract and the previous contracts as well for over a decade.
We shouldn't and we don't have to give anything up. We will make real substantive gains in section 6. The 'quick 34% raise and current book' is nothing more than a rumor and some people's wishful thinking. This management will not give us a cent out of the goodness of their hearts. This LOA should serve as an example of that.


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