Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

There are a few guys that definitely think if you haven't been divorced twice, at your sixth airline, flown the convair or 727, have a Latin girlfriend, and been at spirit at least 7 years, then you haven't paid enough dues and will give away anything. The clear 7 year payscale line proves the opposite.

Originally Posted by The Juice

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As we approach the right time, I'm optimistic that our union guys will start the q&a emails, road shows and web base info stuff, I think communications is getting much better since the beginning of 2008 (my time here).

Improvements to the current contract?, absolutely! But zero concessions , zero. And I speak for myself, after the 08, 09 and 10 plus the previous years in negotiations and the strike, I will not give up anything. I've flown with and talked to a few pilots here and there that just got here and are already willing to give into pref bidding for better 1st year pay or even a JB plus 5 bucks across the board.

This contract we have, is a good contract, any stupid change in QoL for money it's gonna turn us into an airbus regional (even though it looks like that with the schedules sometimes), but I enjoy my line with plenty of time off.

I wish the negotiations committee goes in with the same attitude or better than before.

And if they have any new blood (post strike) joining the team I hope they have a clue on what went thru to get here, any ideas like (JB, UA,RAH, AE, Pinnacle, AA, VX), (or whatever they are call these days ) like pref bidding, more pay for days off, transition language with days off in the middle, cool uniforms and fancy tablets for my days off or my current pay, any craapp like that, they should be beat with a lead pipe.

No concessions, only improvement on scope, merger, premium pay, AC types, pension, profit sharing, etc.... fine, then I agree with you.




Why don't you volunteer for the job? Seems like you have it figured out where we should be, step on up. It's easy to tell union VOLUNTEERS to "FUPM, get Daddy his money or you get the pipe," it's another thing to step up and volunteer to do it and be willing to take that "pipe beating" that you mentioned for anyone volunteering, especially those who were hired after a pre set date you mentioned.

Not trying to get into it with you on what you and the other Spirit pilots had to deal with before with Spirit. Trust me, the "new blood" pilots at Spirit understand, based on what every captain tells us daily, and we all hugely respect the stand the pilot group took in walking. That does take a huge sack, no doubting that. You all earned that star on your ALPA pins.

But as a new guy at the airline, it's offensive to suggest that any of us are so stupid or naive to be solely focused on trivial things like "uniforms and tablets" instead of improving or pay, work rules, and overall QOL. We all came here to hopefully make this a strong major that can be a career for us all. Nobody is looking to sell anyone out, especially for "cool uniforms"

Originally Posted by Sailor

Juice, you obviously got me all wrong, I am a strong supporter of our union, specially what they did for us during contract negotiations, I don't step up because there are people that can do a MUCH better job than I could ever do.

I don't have it ALL figured, I just know NOT to give ANYTHING that we as a pilot group earn as a result of hard negotiations, my union has my support.

I just don't welcome new ideas of concession for anything.

Originally Posted by ManFlex

We have a good group in there. No need to upset the apple cart.

Originally Posted by So Wonwee

From what I have read and heard in the cockpit, you are in the minority with this opinion.

That being said, I will filter out as much white-noise as I can and make my own opinions.

Originally Posted by ManFlex

Have you ever spoken to members of the negotiating committee? They are intelligent, forward thinking individuals. They have been at this a long time at multiple 121 carriers.

I'm in the majority. Without a doubt. There is a very vocal minority centered in FLL. But don't worry, with the composition of the MEC, that vocal minority will be marginalized.

Originally Posted by northdakota

You have no clue what you are talking about. Since when is marginalizing a group intelligent and forward thinking. Get off your computer for an hour sometime..

Originally Posted by sailor

Improvements to the current contract?, absolutely! But zero concessions , zero. And I speak for myself, after the 08, 09 and 10 plus the previous years in negotiations and the strike, I will not give up anything. I've flown with and talked to a few pilots here and there that just got here and are already willing to give into pref bidding for better 1st year pay or even a JB plus 5 bucks across the board.