Originally Posted by gonyon

Doubt this is the first proposal considering just a few months ago we were "40 million" apart.

This is the last of probably a string of proposals but first they made public.

What you're seeing is the culmination of like 10 months of negotiations

Originally Posted by PrattFan

As for the February upgrade projections, possibly due to the Neo delays, but also Feb 2015 slowed to 4 upgrades. Doesn't seem like reason for alarm.

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot

No one is advocating bringing down the top end. We just want it more linear. We also want the top to be 12 years and not 15. If I was going into my 12th year I would be livid. Why wait to 15 to get what you should have gotten at 12? I think the top end dos +4 are just dandy if they are year 12 and at DOS instead.

Yes there are no 3 year captains at the legacies but those days are coming to an abrupt end here at spirit and only beginning at the legacies. I guarantee by the time our next contract becomes amendable again there will be 3yr narrow body captains and they will be making over $200/hr with a 16% DC.

Thanks to those that are calling bull**** on our "amazing" qol to the legacies. It's a myth! To the guy that brought up line purity- THANK YOU!!! I've never seen any airline that bids hard lines have the ridiculous mismash of trips put on a single line.

I'm so glad that people are finally waking up and seeing this stuff. I'm proud to work with you gentlemen. The last 5-10 pages have at least given me some hope. Our unity is key! It's not senior vs junior, it's professional pay for all and solid work rules. No more justifying gross undercompensation for what really amount to average work rules.

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Originally Posted by PrattFan

Rumor has it JS and Bendo visited recurrent classes this week. Possibly doing damage control? Seems they weren't expecting the proposal to be released.

From what I was told, they were both selling a similar message, that there's definitely more money, maybe a lot more money, but the ALPA counter can not include conflict pay protection. Apparently Bendo also said they had been $46 mil apart, they kicked in $23 mil more to narrow the gap, then the UA AIP came out and our ask went up. Perhaps he was ****ed that it went up after numbers had already been proposed, and possibly why they countered low. (Just speculation on my part) Also something about super strong merger protection language that they agreed to, I didn't get much detail on that.

Just passing along what I heard.

As for the February upgrade projections, possibly due to the Neo delays, but also Feb 2015 slowed to 4 upgrades. Doesn't seem like reason for alarm.

Originally Posted by dn_wisconsin

Looks like ACY is back to being the revolving door. Bottom 15 are going there. They might actually have to spend a time there before they can get out.

Sorry Chimp, all red days for you ahead!

Originally Posted by Sailor

No to play devils advocate, but how many were expecting NK management to come up with everything we wanted on the first proposal.

Originally Posted by flyboyike

I would even play a bigger devil's advocate. It seems to me that had transition been the real issue, they would have thrown us a much bigger bone than they did. Ergo, either transition is not the issue or...

Originally Posted by Dr Pepper

Well, I guess we wont know since its been almost a week and we havent heard a peep from the MEC. Im dying for another podcast update. I'm supposed to be wearing something on my uniform but I cant remember what.

Originally Posted by Dr Pepper

Well, I guess we wont know since its been almost a week and we havent heard a peep from the MEC. Im dying for another podcast update. I'm supposed to be wearing something on my uniform but I cant remember what.