Spirit of NKS, Part II

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10-09-2015, 11:04 AM

#11

crumbbuster

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Position: A320 port side

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Originally Posted by DeadStick

So are Spirit pilots still flying A320's for 75-100k below market rate?

Is management going to show up for negotiations Oct 14-16?

Will Spirit pilots ever abandon the "at least this job is better than my last regional" mentality?

Is anyone ever going to get mad?

Hello...Hello...Hello...Is there anybody in there????

This x infinity! Fly your contract, fly your line!

10-09-2015, 11:39 AM

#12

Lobaeux

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Originally Posted by crumbbuster

Who cares. What matters is what is our market rate now!

Management troll???

So you guys are telling me if I was at Delta or United I'd be making $100K more a year?!?!??!!

10-09-2015, 12:15 PM

#13

crumbbuster

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Originally Posted by Lobaeux

So you guys are telling me if I was at Delta or United I'd be making $100K more a year?!?!??!!

Not saying that at all. I'm saying I agree. It's time to get mad, stop this "better than my regional," mentality, stop bailing them out until they start showing us the goodwill we deserve..i.e. IROP and no showing negotiations is a blatant slap in the face.

10-09-2015, 12:25 PM

#14

Sailor

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Originally Posted by Cruise

Sorry, friend. It was a trusty steed...but alas, it was beyond time to be put out to pasture.

Sorry to have beaten you to the punch.

All good, time to let go..raising my Stella to it.

10-09-2015, 12:34 PM

#15

Sailor

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Originally Posted by crumbbuster

This, is what's crazy about us. our Union MEC can be asked for a contract bend, get a hand shake and we are good to go, now, we can not "legally" use the union communication channels to tell every single member to fly the award until resolution is met.

10-09-2015, 12:54 PM

#16

So Wonwee

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Originally Posted by Sailor

Even if we could, we have enough jackholes here that would still phone a friend in scheduling to hook themselves up and bailout the mismanagement of operations.

10-09-2015, 01:06 PM

#17

crumbbuster

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Position: A320 port side

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Originally Posted by So Wonwee

Even if we could, we have enough jackholes here that would still phone a friend in scheduling to hook themselves up and bailout the mismanagement of operations.

So true.. So sadly true all the near sighted, sackless, self serving jackholez here!

10-09-2015, 01:27 PM

#18

Dr Pepper

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Quote:

Originally Posted by So Wonwee

Even if we could, we have enough jackholes here that would still phone a friend in scheduling to hook themselves up and bailout the mismanagement of operations.

Don't forget you have to brag about your 20 hour JA and in the next breath ***** about not getting a contract fast enough.

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10-09-2015, 02:37 PM

#19

DeadStick

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lobaeux

Just curious, what was the market rate for A320 pilots when Spirit voted in their last contract?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lobaeux

So you guys are telling me if I was at Delta or United I'd be making $100K more a year?!?!??!!

Maybe not at the 15 year CA level, but there are several other seat/longevity points where this is true when you factor in total compensation (retirement, profit sharing, and/or bonuses). Regarding the aforementioned 100k compensation difference consider that there are several DL A320 FO's making shy of $200k/yr. Or, compare 8 year CA's, a $50+/hr difference, + DC + Bonuses.

*I mentioned Delta only to respond to the quoted question, not necessarily to suggest DL compensation at NK.

10-09-2015, 03:41 PM

#20

crumbbuster

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Originally Posted by DeadStick

With all due respect, that was basically an acceptable rationale right up until August 1, 2015. We quietly watched as the company made record profits, all the while stoically biding our time, delaying our gratification. Do you think during the 5 year duration of the CBA management's compensation was proportionally correlated? Do you think management's pay is frozen now, post August, 2015?

Maybe not at the 15 year CA level, but there are several other seat/longevity points where this is true when you factor in total compensation (retirement, profit sharing, and/or bonuses). Regarding the aforementioned 100k compensation difference consider that there are several DL A320 FO's making shy of $200k/yr. Or, compare 8 year CA's, a $50+/hr difference, + DC + Bonuses.

*I mentioned Delta only to respond to the quoted question, not necessarily to suggest DL compensation at NK.

This guy is managements dream! Retired AF guy with an AF pension. This job is fun for him. He doesn't care about making this a living! He gets his pension, Spirit pay, races his Porsche... Now he's an instructor for us! Awesome!!!!