Spirit of NKS, Part II

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01-25-2016 | 06:59 AM

#3141

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Originally Posted by FlyGuy2002

Point being those of you who equate our salary to the CEOs salary are crazy. The 2 have very little to do with each other in reality...

I think the point the OP was making was that if lower wages are part of "the business plan" then that should apply to upper management as well. Since they pay industry standard at the that level, they can pay standard at ours.

I'd say the thing that makes them worth better than average is the fact they get us to work for lower than average.

01-25-2016 | 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Feng

First of all, profit margin in itself when used in your context is entirely meaningless. 10 dudes in an airbus fly by night start up with an 50% margin does not entitle each pilot to 500K/yr.

Second of all, NK 2015 fourth quarter earnings report isn't available yet.

Third, I believe you're comparing DL net margins to NK operating margins.

Fourth, if you're going to use a profit metric to justify compensation. 3rd quarter 2015, DL had an operating income of 2.2B/12,900 pilots. UA 1.9B/12500 SWA 1.2B/7900 NK 157M/1300 Allegiant 77M/657 VA 74M/630 JB 351M/3200

One can argue for third quarter 2015, DAL generates 171K/pilot, UA 152K, SWA 152K, NK 121K, ALGT 117K, VA 117K, JB 109K

Food for thought.

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01-25-2016 | 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Feng

Looking at pay rates, it appears nk pilots are very similar to frontier,va,allegiant.

And DL very similar to UA and AA.

I believe every one of those are currently in negotiations.

You know what? F this. Let the company rot. If they don't want to pay, then let em die.

01-25-2016 | 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy

You had to create a new user name to throw insults? Man up and post under your original screen name.

Because it's still APC. Not SPC.

You don't post under your real name so why should Vinny bag o donuts?

01-25-2016 | 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MooseJaw

You don't post under your real name so why should Vinny bag o donuts?

I said user name, not a real name. I only have this one user name here and post under it. Some people create a second user name in order to troll and so something which they otherwise wouldn't do under their original user name. In the past they have been busted using some kinda IPO trace (or whatever that's called). Vinny bog o donuts or whatever he is just started Jan 2016 and of his 4 posts, 2 are cheap shots and all are only in the NK thread. My implication was he has another user name here (screen name).

01-25-2016 | 07:49 AM

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Don't forget with all this talk about how much we make, the ALPA lawyer said a mediator won't really take that into account. The transcript said for "above industry pay", but imagine that the company would try to argue the exact way.

01-25-2016 | 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by EyeoftheTiger

This is pretty misleading. I have a buddy who has been at Delta for 9 years on the MD-88 and he is nowhere near to upgrading in ATL.

It's not misleading at all. It was simple. Our last four upgrades were hired in Jan/Feb of 2014. Just because I didn't know that you wanted to hear the upgrade time at some base of some guy you know?

01-25-2016 | 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Imapilot2

It's not misleading at all. It was simple. Our last four upgrades were hired in Jan/Feb of 2014. Just because I didn't know that you wanted to hear the upgrade time at some base of some guy you know?

I think his point is that NYC RSV is not very desirable, hence the short upgrade.

Either way, it's great news for the Delta pilots.