Originally Posted by So Wonwee

Except for the abundance of Pilots at Spirit that have low to no self esteem and value themselves so little

Originally Posted by Feng

but but but but but.....we deserve it. Spirit has more in common with Sun Country, Allegiant, and Frontier than it does with Delta, United, AA, JB, SW. But somehow people on here think they'll get parity with their "peers".

Can't hurt to shoot for the moon, but people on the fence about seriously making an effort to leave because of the possibility of legacy rates at the end of this road, need to reevaluate.

Originally Posted by rokking566

Shy is right. You have to realize that Spirit, Virgin America, Allegiant, Sun Country, and Frontier are never going to touch legacy pay. That doesn't mean that they're bad airlines to work for (Hell I'd love to work for any of them) it just means that they aren't a legacy. Although I am not an airline pilot at the moment, it is just common sense to know that you will not be paid the same. There is also evidence behind what I said. First, look at the difference between Delta's and Spirit's revenue. In 2015, Delta brought in $40.7B in revenue while Spirit's revenue is $1.93B. That is a humongous difference. Second, the legacies will NEVER let smaller airlines hand out more money to pilots than themselves. It's not only a huge embarrassment for the legacies but that is what also makes the legacies so attractive. The pay. Without the high pay for their pilots, the legacies lose a lot of their attractiveness.

Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod

Everything that guy just said is bull$hit... Thank you

Originally Posted by rokking566

Shy is right. You have to realize that Spirit, Virgin America, Allegiant, Sun Country, and Frontier are never going to touch legacy pay. That doesn't mean that they're bad airlines to work for (Hell I'd love to work for any of them) it just means that they aren't a legacy. Although I am not an airline pilot at the moment, it is just common sense to know that you will not be paid the same. There is also evidence behind what I said. First, look at the difference between Delta's and Spirit's revenue. In 2015, Delta brought in $40.7B in revenue while Spirit's revenue is $1.93B. That is a humongous difference. Second, the legacies will NEVER let smaller airlines hand out more money to pilots than themselves. It's not only a huge embarrassment for the legacies but that is what also makes the legacies so attractive. The pay. Without the high pay for their pilots, the legacies lose a lot of their attractiveness.

Originally Posted by MooseJaw

Go back to Flightsim, you're embaressing yourself.

Originally Posted by Feng

I'm just saying the end result of this whole process will not look anything close to the big 3 rates at the time of signing.

Originally Posted by Chimpy

Why do you believe this? Are you basing it on us being a LCC?, our previous history with Managment?, or the fact we are so far behind pay rate wise that we would need something like a 70% raise to get close. (Or all of the above)

The problem is our previous round of negotiations really kind of screwed us. They agreed to such a low junior CA rate that an incredible amount of work has to be done to bring that up.

I guess my question what or why are we never going to see "Legacy type pay"? To me, it seems like our biggest obstacle is lack of self-worth. Please don't give me "Managment won't agree or they don't want to". No Managment "wants" to give anyone anything, that isn't exclusive to Spirit.

Originally Posted by rokking566

Shy is right. You have to realize that Spirit, Virgin America, Allegiant, Sun Country, and Frontier are never going to touch legacy pay. That doesn't mean that they're bad airlines to work for (Hell I'd love to work for any of them) it just means that they aren't a legacy. Although I am not an airline pilot at the moment, it is just common sense to know that you will not be paid the same. There is also evidence behind what I said. First, look at the difference between Delta's and Spirit's revenue. In 2015, Delta brought in $40.7B in revenue while Spirit's revenue is $1.93B. That is a humongous difference. Second, the legacies will NEVER let smaller airlines hand out more money to pilots than themselves. It's not only a huge embarrassment for the legacies but that is what also makes the legacies so attractive. The pay. Without the high pay for their pilots, the legacies lose a lot of their attractiveness.