pilotwithnoname

Well said.

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nibake

I agree with the points you made about the offer and they need to be fixed. Having said that, there are some good things in that offer. We are getting the compensation we are asking for, with the exceptions of the problems that you mention: e.g. rig is more of a vague promise, the home basing idea is flawed, and retirement is a long wait. Yes, there are still holes in the bucket, but if they can patch those issues, there could be a light at the end of the tunnel. I, for one, hope that the disparity isn't insurmountable. If you can enumerate the problems, so can the union, and there is a possibility that they can be addressed. If that happens, and we get an agreement with rates that are admittedly good, it would be good for the pilot group and the company. If the alternative is new management, well, that will be a disaster for everyone. Don't read into that and think I'm saying we should accept something substandard, because I'm not. But we would be much better off reaching an agreement with our current management than watching the company flop around like a fish out of water for the foreseeable future.

The threat of going back to regular section 6 would be suicide for the company. But we don't want to help them down that road if we like our jobs here. You can't have it both ways. I think it's good to take management's rhetoric with a grain of salt, and the union has warned that there would be some scare tactics, so none of us should be surprised by that.

nibake

I take back what I said about the work from home system. That is listed as an agreement to negotiate in the future. If this is accurate, then we have no reason to be freaking out about everyone being turned into a commuter now.

CaptainSlow

I get what you are saying, but it’s just gross to get something like that from the company. They should be talking to the negotiating committee and MEC. And they act like it would completely finish them to operate like every airline. If every other management team can operate not just standard wages, but also work rules, then why can’t you? It’s like they’re admitting that they they are only able to manage an airline if they have an unfair labor advantage over their peers. I don’t think a new team would have us languishing. We are public, and investors expect results from the people managing their investment. The board would bring someone in to stop this silliness so the company can move forward and take advantage of the growth opportunity while it is here.


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Buyer Beware

Truth be told I don't think it matters. The company's proposal had a dollar value of $29 million where the union call proposal was at $50 million. The disparity is hilarious and the reality is that this is just a repeat of the last cycle where there's tunnel vision on pay rates but this time with promises of the future. Those who have been through this before are aware of how promises of the future work out. So imagine that they legitimately think they can't afford to operate the business at the insane dollar value the union asked for but need it to grow the business. Then why are there no bullet points about profit sharing or ESOP?

For the company this is an opportunity to lock in a 4 year contract at a time before the legacies are about to re-enter negotiating cycles with massive gains. Bypassing the union with an undefined list of bulletpoints is embarassing and disappointing. If they truly needed this done by the deadline they didn't bring enough cash, effort, or intelligence to the table. For prospective new hires though you will get that 3rd week of vacation when you hit 9 years of seniority and hotels can be pretty cheap in May & September, so that's pretty cool.

DC9123456

Apparently, The work from home is a positive space ticket on your day off to reposition for the next day (unpaid) . So burn a day off to get to Gulfport from LA or wherever

CaptainSlow

Yup, that’s what I hear too. So your days off aren’t really your days off with that little gem, and they think we’ll just work for free. A 4 trip cargo month that is 18 days of work and 12 days off now could be 4 days off when you take into account their unpaid double deadheads to and from the unserved/underserved cargo cities on each end of the trips. There is zero chance anyone would vote for that when it is explained what it actually means.


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AdmiralofRears

The MEC has had more than this on the table for almost a year now. The company thinks they can get a 50+1 vote by negotiating in public. Don’t fall for it guys.

AdmiralofRears

Well said.

Buyer Beware

Well that's really special.

Interstingly, the e-mail from the D.O. to please upgrade (things will get better) won't even win most embarassing e-mail of the year now with this one from the C.O.O. trying to circumvent the union with an arbitrary deadline. It mentions that if there's no deal by the end of the month we would no longer be a "contender" for some magical planes, it sure seemed like we were more than "contenders" for the 767's a while back with multiple management individuals telling us it was a done deal. Enough to make a guy wonder, are they this out of touch? or do they think were that dumb?

Sure seems like this pilot group wouldn't be the one to try to sell hopes and dreams to... they don't pay your mortgage.