tolipenalpria

Might need to start a new thread, but is it too early to start arguing over the pbs software?
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nibake

Ugh. I just want a new contract. It's hard for me to think about anything else. Apparently the company is pushing for this month but I won't hold my breath. I think the company's presentation was good but still somewhat short of where it needs to pay in pay and retirement. Let's hope lots of progress is made this month in negotiations and we will be seeing a roadshow presentation in the not too distant future.

sidelinesam

Did I miss something? You saw the companies presentation?

FlyGuy2021

Just saw some new hire numbers at other airlines. Wow. Sun Country is really bleeding pilots, isn't it?

YerOnGuard

What are the numbers you saw?

maverickchill

safety costing money... upgrade times are reduced from 3,000 total to 2,500 and from 750 at company to 500, no one wants to upgrade because of work rules etc, but you might soon be able to go from reserve in the right seat to reserve in the left. if only they didnt have to hire 1,000 hour guys these last few years, maybe they will figure out how to attract and retain qualified pilots.
also the dec 8th deadline now extended to jan 4th, for safety.

nibake

I haven't seen it personally, I have just heard bits and pieces of what is in it. My knowledge about it is pretty limited. I am hoping that the union call tomorrow will shed a lot more light on the contents.

S4User

Any updates from the call today?

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nibake

Yeah, it lasted for about 2 hours. The company proposal was not discussed, but the union's counterproposal, which is supposed to get an answer this Thursday, was. This is all from memory so take it for what it's worth.

Several things aren't getting touched on, like sick time. The union isn't really asking for any changes in the way of insurance. Top rate is current industry average plus 20 (273), take off about $2.50 per year for each year under 12. No specifics about FO rates but they would follow CA rates and be pretty good. DOS yearly raises, I think about $10 per year. 3 year contract. Retirement direct contribution would be 14, 15, 16, respective years of the contract. Trip rig 3.5. Vacation leveling (81% of vacation periods must be evenly distributed). Out of base reserve (voluntary). First in last out. 5 weeks vacation for super senior dudes. 75 hr guarantee for reserve. Premium pay and fatigue LOAs incorporated into new contract. PBS in one year, tons of stuff is wrapped up in the PBS commitment level. Training bidding. Vacation day is worth 5 hours. Deadhead diverting, can't remember if that is the right word, + travel bank allows any commuter to avoid going to MSP for no reason. Travel bank can be used for hotels. Lots of improvement in offline deadheading rules with penalties for failure to comply. Business class or better if >4 hours. Financial penalties for company plus benefits for the pilot if you are kept out on your trip longer than scheduled. That's all I can think of right now.

nibake

It all adds up to about a $50 million ask, up to 90 from our previous 40 for pilot wages. Having said that, it's probably the minimum to stop hemorrhaging pilots. The company will almost certainly counter too low.