Published speeds on STAR
12-30-2024 | 10:41 PM
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Published speeds on STAR
not sure where to post this but had a quick question. say you're on an arrival with published speed restrictions and you cross xyz with a speed restriction of 250kts and thats the last fix with a speed restriction are you expected to maintain that until further clearance even if there's additional fixes with no other speed restrictions or can you start to slow at your discretion?
12-31-2024 | 06:44 AM
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Generally you're supposed to maintain the last published speed until otherwise directed.
If you're still doing 250 when they call your base, you probably need to remind them. Personally I'd probably just slow down at that point.
If you're still doing 250 when they call your base, you probably need to remind them. Personally I'd probably just slow down at that point.
12-31-2024 | 11:39 AM
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Slow down as appropriate to do so.
12-31-2024 | 11:45 AM
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Maintain your last assigned speed until cleared for the approach. At Class B primary airports that last published speed is almost always 250.
Approach controllers want everyone at that speed, otherwise they will assign a different speed. If you want to trigger a controller slow below 250kts below 10,000ft without a clearance.
Approach controllers want everyone at that speed, otherwise they will assign a different speed. If you want to trigger a controller slow below 250kts below 10,000ft without a clearance.
12-31-2024 | 11:53 AM
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01-01-2025 | 04:04 AM
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While on the lateral track of the STAR, maintain the last published speed. When ATC issues you a vector off the STAR, absent a speed restriction as part of the vector, or an approach clearance without a speed restriction, speed is now your discretion.
AIM: 4-4-12.a:
This also matches what ATC is expecting.
7110.65: 5-7-1-e:
AIM: 4-4-12.a:
ATC will issue speed adjustments to pilots of radar controlled aircraft to achieve or maintain appropriate spacing. If necessary, ATC will assign a speed when approving deviations or radar vectoring off procedures that include published speed restrictions or a chart note used to transition from Mach to IAS. If no speed is assigned, speed becomes pilot's discretion. However, when the aircraft reaches the end of the STAR, the last published speed on the STAR must be maintained until ATC deletes it, assigns a new speed, issues a vector, assigns a direct route, or issues an approach clearance.
7110.65: 5-7-1-e:
A speed restriction published as part of a SID/STAR is canceled when an aircraft is vectored off, or a deviation from the SID/STAR is approved. If necessary, assign a speed in conjunction with the vector or approval to deviate.
NOTE-
The last published speed on a STAR will be maintained by the aircraft until ATC deletes it, assigns a new speed, issues a vector, assigns a direct route or issues an approach clearance.
NOTE-
The last published speed on a STAR will be maintained by the aircraft until ATC deletes it, assigns a new speed, issues a vector, assigns a direct route or issues an approach clearance.
01-05-2025 | 04:41 AM
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IMO give them 150-160 to the FAF on VFR days and they'll love you OR tell you to slow down.
01-07-2025 | 09:22 AM
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I'd be surprised it that's what ATC expects as most flights are aiming for stable just prior to 1000' on VFR days. Low IFR? Vref at the FAF, or very shortly thereafter, is prudent.
IMO give them 150-160 to the FAF on VFR days and they'll love you OR tell you to slow down.
IMO give them 150-160 to the FAF on VFR days and they'll love you OR tell you to slow down.
So what speed should ATC expect at the FAF?
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02-13-2025 | 03:15 AM
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Keep an eye on the TCAS, most stars they want you 10 miles in trail of traffic in front, ORD a biggie. If no speed & smooth, I keep it moving until inside 12 or so, then I slow to match, often 300.
The other option is to be oblivious & let ATC dictate everything. On final go to higher alert at 3, target speed if approaching 2.5. I haven't gone missed approach in forever.
What's a few knots among friends?? BWTHDIK??
The other option is to be oblivious & let ATC dictate everything. On final go to higher alert at 3, target speed if approaching 2.5. I haven't gone missed approach in forever.
What's a few knots among friends?? BWTHDIK??
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