Inbound Question
07-31-2011 | 01:34 PM
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Inbound Question
At what point are you considered "inbound", say after a procedure turn? When the course is "alive" or is it within one dot? And a reference would be great too.
Another scenario:
Let's say you are at 3,000' headed toward TAM from the south.
ATC says: Maintain 3,000' until established, cleared ILS 13.
At which point can you start your descent? After TAM? In PT?
Thanks in advance!
Another scenario:
Let's say you are at 3,000' headed toward TAM from the south.
ATC says: Maintain 3,000' until established, cleared ILS 13.
At which point can you start your descent? After TAM? In PT?
Thanks in advance!
07-31-2011 | 01:57 PM
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You're considered inbound when you're 137 course is centered on your LOC. "course alive" means that you can start your turn to follow your loc course to intercept the 137 inbound. This is basic IFR flying. If you're getting ready for an interview, you might want to hit up a CFII.
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07-31-2011 | 02:07 PM
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This looks like a XJET interview question. 
It's been so long since I've done one of these at XJET, so double check my answer.
Once you've reached TAM head outbound on the 317 radial. At 5.0 DME from TAM start your descent to 1400ft MSL and your outbound turn(45 to 60 secs outbound) then turn inbound & intercept the Rwy 13 localizer. Remember you're only protected from terrain/obstructions with in 15 DME of TAM or with in 10 DME of D5.0 TAM or D4.2 ITAM(Rwy 13 LOC).
Once established(needle centered) and crossing ITAM 4.2 you may follow the GS to 279ft MSL or you may descend to 440ft MSL if the GS is out if service.
You can also identify the GS intercept point with DME off TAM VOR(5.0 DME)
Check this info with the AIM.
It's been so long since I've done one of these at XJET, so double check my answer. Once you've reached TAM head outbound on the 317 radial. At 5.0 DME from TAM start your descent to 1400ft MSL and your outbound turn(45 to 60 secs outbound) then turn inbound & intercept the Rwy 13 localizer. Remember you're only protected from terrain/obstructions with in 15 DME of TAM or with in 10 DME of D5.0 TAM or D4.2 ITAM(Rwy 13 LOC).
Once established(needle centered) and crossing ITAM 4.2 you may follow the GS to 279ft MSL or you may descend to 440ft MSL if the GS is out if service.
You can also identify the GS intercept point with DME off TAM VOR(5.0 DME)
Check this info with the AIM.
07-31-2011 | 03:50 PM
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That 1400' is only good if you are ON the radial or loc inbound within 10nm of TAM. Look at the MSA. If they told you to maintain 3,000, cleared for the approach, then stay there until at least you complete the procedure turn, the loc comes alive and you are within 10nm of TAM. Then you can descend to 1400. I know it's a short distance. If you go down to 1400 on your way out, then turn off the course to do the procedure turn, you may not know what you might run into.
07-31-2011 | 04:01 PM
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Let me requalify my previous post. If you are within 15DME or 10DME TAM (same thing) then you can go down to 1400. Once the loc comes alive, and you are within the proper distance, you are terrain protected. I had to look at that plate again! Carry on.
07-31-2011 | 04:08 PM
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You're considered inbound when you're 137 course is centered on your LOC. "course alive" means that you can start your turn to follow your loc course to intercept the 137 inbound. This is basic IFR flying. If you're getting ready for an interview, you might want to hit up a CFII.
I have been flying a Hawker for the past 3 years. This isn't a scenario that you get everyday. When we practice in the sim, we use 1 dot to define "established" and that's when we can start our descent. Without going into too much detail in my original question, I was just trying to see if somebody can find the answer in writing somewhere.
BrewMaster: Good article.
The other part of my question refers to the time when you are able to start a descent after passing TAM. Is it after passing TAM outbound, or after the Procedure Turn and "established inbound"?
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