CBreezy

Said the guy who also claimed there were 2 new airplanes in the hangar and was debunked the next day.

TBucket

I heard we're picking up the 757s that united is replacing. Going to run them on our philly and harrisburg turns out of dulles.

minimwage4

Remember when RL was spotted boarding a plane to Paris and there were rumors we were getting ATRs??? 40 of them!!! All the hiring could just be for these one or two planes coming from Mexico. They need to spread rumors because they won't find any pilots soon.

DegeReguard

Thanks, I already new about the one new airplane from mexico.

Yeah, I know the speech is what everyone got too. I just ignored it as while yes, there will always be a small market for 50 seat jets, it is reducing and will continue to do so over the next several years especially because of staffing issues. I don't think a company that has been able to remain profitable and privately held for as many years as TSA has been would refuse to see that coming and just let themselves dwindle into oblivion even with two other money making arms still going. I'm sure we are looking for all sorts of ways to grow, we just are way more conservative in our grabs than our competitors.

Compass would be stupid not to bid on the first batch of 20 AAG planes set to deliver Q1 2015, that wasn't what I was thinking TSA would be bidding for. Beyond that Compass has nothing to do with trans states other than that they are under the same holding company and owned by the same guy. AAG claims the later 20 E175s are going to an operator that does not already have an E175 type. The leaves compass out of the picture. As does it leave republic and mesa out of the picture. Also republic doesn't want more AAG flying right now as it can't staff its current operation and mesa is focused on the huge growth it just got from UAL. That being said, there is still PSA, PDT, and AirWiskey that are old us airways favorites, and strong AAG exclusive operators.

None the less, I would **** a golden brick if we actually got E175s. I know that's not likely.

But, none of this addresses the economics questions I asked:

"First, knowing that uncle H won't bid on anything at a loss, how to the economics of bringing a new type online work? And lets leave compass, and its already existing 175 type out of this.

I know a new type needs an SOP, manuals, proving, training, etc and that instructors must be made who make check airmen who make regular crews etc. and thats just from the pilot stand point. Would it be possible to simply copy most of Compass's stuff and make a few modifications to reduce the cost of a new start up program since we are both TSH?

Assuming AAG owns the airplanes and intends to lease them to us to operate them, I imagine that lease comes at a steal style price, what is the process that would need to be done in order to get those planes from imaginary to flying under the TSA name and how much does that cost?

Is it even possible to arrange a way to carefully ensure a steady and decent profit stream for a situation like TSA getting 175s from AAG for AAG using the combination of a good lease deal and a strong contract that would still be able to underbid our competitors, knowing that 20 of these AAG planes are going to someone who does not currently operate them?

These are of course all theoretical questions and an attempt on my part to gain a little more understand in how a FFD regional airline business model works."

minimwage4

A big day for Tsa is finding a few planes from the dumpster that nobody wants. How do you expect them to operate the 175?

RgrMurdock

They are not getting the 175. It would be a huge undertaking to get the type on property and they would probably be working on it already. The training department wouldn't be able to cover it up either. I thought there was supposed to be done kind of big announcement at the end of the week?

DegeReguard

I heard about this "big" announcement we were supposed to have by the end of the week too, but now... the weak is over. -sigh-

Okay, again, I didn't say we were getting E175's. Certainly not any time soon, though anything is possible at any time in this industry. This company did hire people into and type them in the J31 and then literally the next day shut it down entirely. Though that was a different version of this company and a different time and a huge waste of money. I realize that a new type on property is a huge undertaking. I want to know the details on how such an undertaking would be carried out. Doesn't have to be a 175, it could be any new type. Lets pretend its the MRJ then. When the MRJ finally comes, what is the process for bringing that from the factory to operational on property? Perhaps I should ask the question of what is involved in bringing a new type on property to another forum. Several other companies are in that process at present.

We still have MRJ's coming, theoretically, and it looks like those are TSA's plan to magically to work its way out of the 50 seat market just in the nick of time, but I have completely lost faith in that airplane ever being made, and if it does get completed, it will be timed so poorly we won't find anyone to operate it for. They were originally supposed to be delivered around this time and it would be wise for us to consider a replacement.

The E170's are getting close to dumpster-diving age themselves.

FlyingKat

So did you get your 757 bid in

air101

They could merge Compass and TSA and save on costs. This was rumored awhile back when a lot of functions that were handled by Compass were moved to TSH in STL. I wouldn't be surprised either way, however, I don't expect TransStates to get 175 flying on their own.

MrMustache

They could be sitting on something.