Trans States CQFO
02-20-2015 | 03:16 AM
#161
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To put it bluntly....it's hard to gauge the quality of advice or content you read on these forums. I'm humble enough to realize I have much more to learn, but respectful of my experiences as well.
Hope that makes sense. I can sense that this thread might be grow toxic to this line of rhetoric, so in the interest of not derailing the thread, I'll bow out at this time.
Still be interested in hearing CBreezy's response, and PMs from CPTs at TSA.
Hope that makes sense. I can sense that this thread might be grow toxic to this line of rhetoric, so in the interest of not derailing the thread, I'll bow out at this time.
Still be interested in hearing CBreezy's response, and PMs from CPTs at TSA.
02-20-2015 | 05:34 AM
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I was hired with 3100 hours with over 2000 of them being in the 145. I'm finishing SIM as an FO. I tried several times in vein before I came here to be categorized as a CQFO since I have over 3000 hours (on property FO mins) and I have a lot of time in type. But nevertheless I made the hard decision to make the move here. Coming here when I did makes me senior to every CQFO on property except maybe 8. Now you're telling me that guys with less flight time AND potentially no time in the airplane AND junior to me in seniority will come in as CQFOs and make $18-$36 more per hour than me? Am I understanding this correctly? So by coming 2 months early im being penalized potentially $18k-36k per year? I mean seriously!?! Listen I know like everyone else that nothing is guaranteed in this industry. I don't consider upgrade to captain my God given right or anything. But this isn't right.
02-20-2015 | 06:26 AM
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Of course you make the best decisions you can with the information that you are given. That's all that really anyone can do right? Yeah if this was the case I wouldn't be happy about it of course. I'll be senior to new hires but my upgrade prospect is pretty un clear now. This should qualify current FOs for upgrade much sooner flight time wise and I will be behind them of course (as I should be). But in the meantime while I wait for that I'll be making first year FO pay while pilots junior to me make more. In the case of current CQFOs making more money than current FOs it was a flight time issue. In this case it is not.
You're comment was obviously alluding to something along the lines of whining or something. I certainly don't read these forums for sunshine but sometimes I don't understand people's inharent negativity. You took the time to respond. Like I said. Nothing is guaranteed. But from the prospective of the people that came here for specific reasons this doesn't seem to be a good thing. Time will tell
02-20-2015 | 06:53 AM
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No, I likely won't be one, as this appears to be a situation better suited for others. The reason I asked for responses from a CPT, was that would make for the type of qualified feedback I was seeking. A CPT would've been on the property for a while, had been through several iterations of the recurrent training requirements, had more continuity in seeing the company culture change/evolve, and have more insights into TSA as a company.
02-20-2015 | 07:18 AM
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Of course you make the best decisions you can with the information that you are given. That's all that really anyone can do right? Yeah if this was the case I wouldn't be happy about it of course. I'll be senior to new hires but my upgrade prospect is pretty un clear now. This should qualify current FOs for upgrade much sooner flight time wise and I will be behind them of course (as I should be). But in the meantime while I wait for that I'll be making first year FO pay while pilots junior to me make more. In the case of current CQFOs making more money than current FOs it was a flight time issue. In this case it is not.
You're comment was obviously alluding to something along the lines of whining or something. I certainly don't read these forums for sunshine but sometimes I don't understand people's inharent negativity. You took the time to respond. Like I said. Nothing is guaranteed. But from the prospective of the people that came here for specific reasons this doesn't seem to be a good thing. Time will tell
You're comment was obviously alluding to something along the lines of whining or something. I certainly don't read these forums for sunshine but sometimes I don't understand people's inharent negativity. You took the time to respond. Like I said. Nothing is guaranteed. But from the prospective of the people that came here for specific reasons this doesn't seem to be a good thing. Time will tell
02-20-2015 | 07:33 AM
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I was hired with 3100 hours with over 2000 of them being in the 145. I'm finishing SIM as an FO. I tried several times in vein before I came here to be categorized as a CQFO since I have over 3000 hours (on property FO mins) and I have a lot of time in type. But nevertheless I made the hard decision to make the move here. Coming here when I did makes me senior to every CQFO on property except maybe 8. Now you're telling me that guys with less flight time AND potentially no time in the airplane AND junior to me in seniority will come in as CQFOs and make $18-$36 more per hour than me? Am I understanding this correctly? So by coming 2 months early im being penalized potentially $18k-36k per year? I mean seriously!?! Listen I know like everyone else that nothing is guaranteed in this industry. I don't consider upgrade to captain my God given right or anything. But this isn't right.
02-20-2015 | 08:56 AM
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You are absolutely whining because you wilfully accepted a position at first year pay and and now people who are junior to you with less flight time are going to be making more money than you are. Yes, TSA moved the goalposts on you, but you're naïve if you didn't see that as a possibility
02-20-2015 | 08:59 AM
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Of course you make the best decisions you can with the information that you are given. That's all that really anyone can do right? Yeah if this was the case I wouldn't be happy about it of course. I'll be senior to new hires but my upgrade prospect is pretty un clear now. This should qualify current FOs for upgrade much sooner flight time wise and I will be behind them of course (as I should be). But in the meantime while I wait for that I'll be making first year FO pay while pilots junior to me make more. In the case of current CQFOs making more money than current FOs it was a flight time issue. In this case it is not.
You're comment was obviously alluding to something along the lines of whining or something. I certainly don't read these forums for sunshine but sometimes I don't understand people's inharent negativity. You took the time to respond. Like I said. Nothing is guaranteed. But from the prospective of the people that came here for specific reasons this doesn't seem to be a good thing. Time will tell
You're comment was obviously alluding to something along the lines of whining or something. I certainly don't read these forums for sunshine but sometimes I don't understand people's inharent negativity. You took the time to respond. Like I said. Nothing is guaranteed. But from the prospective of the people that came here for specific reasons this doesn't seem to be a good thing. Time will tell
At least you'll be flying out of Denver huh?
For the me me me, now now now generation, nobody owes you anything, certainly not any regional operation. It's ironic that people are complaining about being skipped over in seniority now when they themselves are trying to skip half the pilots by becoming CQFOs.
02-20-2015 | 09:06 AM
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They moved the goalposts on everybody at TSA. The majority of our captains who busted their a$$ to get to the left seat just saw their efforts undermined by the company. And the FO's on the upgrade list just got the rug pulled out from them pushing upgrade back by several months if not a full year or more. And depending on how the company handles it, (my guess is not with much credibility) bypass pay will be pulled for those who were promised it.
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