Did Joe DePete retire? (FedEx)
02-02-2019, 01:59 PM
#61
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
It's obvious you have no idea what you are talking about. By the way, 28.F has nothing to do with deferred retirement. He got less by not giving 1 years notice.
28.1.F requires 12 months prior notice to participate if over 60. The only carveout on the 12 months notice is in the 02Nov15 side letter but that did not apply in this case. If I’m wrong in my reading this please point me to the section that provides less than 12 months notice to participate outside of the side letter. He did retire 31Dec18 which is what would be required per 28.F.1 since he is over 60.
The question of DePete participating in 28.F is obviously germane to the discussion.
02-02-2019, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude
A volunteer is defined as “a person who performs a service willingly and without pay.”
While the reps serve willingly they don’t serve without pay. They run for a position and are compensated for the work they provide. They aren’t volunteers. They are highly compensated employees of the pilots they represent. The job should be viewed as such.
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While the reps serve willingly they don’t serve without pay. They run for a position and are compensated for the work they provide. They aren’t volunteers. They are highly compensated employees of the pilots they represent. The job should be viewed as such.
https://moakgroup.com
02-02-2019, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot
I heard there was also a scuffle at the Delta meeting. Why you guys so angry?
02-02-2019, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
After our last contract was ratified our MEC was mostly taken over by angry and irrational reps who think they can bully everyone to get their way. Our management, for the most part, ignores them, they were the laughing stock of the latest BOD, and now these whiny accusations about Joe DePete are being spread by these same folks and their followers. On the bright side, these angry irrational reps are gradually being replaced thru LEC elections, or in the case of the attacker in the scuffle you mentioned, Article 8 charges if his term isn't ended thru resignation/employment termination.
02-02-2019, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude
Originally Posted by TonyC
Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude
Anyone at the local rep level ... is anything but a volunteer. They are highly compensated ...
I said they are highly compensated. They aren’t leaving money on the table.
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02-02-2019, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot
I heard there was also a scuffle at the Delta meeting. Why you guys so angry?
When we talk about blood on the walls in our MEC meetings, we all know it's a metaphor. I guess Delta has to take it to a higher (or lower) level.
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02-02-2019, 04:04 PM
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Holy crap. Is there a link to more information on this?
Reminds me of the super senior 777 captain who told me he was arrested for "brandishing" during an offsite organization meeting back in the FPA days. He swears he was just showing the guy the pistol he had just bought......
Reminds me of the super senior 777 captain who told me he was arrested for "brandishing" during an offsite organization meeting back in the FPA days. He swears he was just showing the guy the pistol he had just bought......
02-02-2019, 04:15 PM
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Yesterday, 06:27 PM
February 1, 2019
I am writing because I know there have been some questions about my retirement from FedEx, and I want you to know my thinking as I made this difficult decision.
Flying is my passion, and I’m proud to have had the honor of being a Marine aviator, a commercial passenger pilot, and an air cargo pilot. During my more than 30 years of flying, I always felt that my colleagues were more than coworkers; they always were—and always will be—friends and family.
As I wrestled with the decision to retire, I had to take into account the fact that I will reach the FAA mandatory retirement age of 65 during the spring of the final year of my term as President and would not be able to return to line flying when my Presidency ends. In addition, it became clear that there were practical impediments to my staying current for the next three years. As a result, I came to the conclusion that retiring from FedEx now would allow me to turn all of my energies without distraction toward fulfilling my role as your President and would be the most appropriate course to best represent all ALPA members. Again, this was not an easy decision.
As ALPA President, I will remain exclusively devoted to representing all ALPA line pilots’ views, and achieving the goals of our union’s pilot-driven strategic plan. For the next four years, I intend to keep as my sole focus making ALPA stronger, leaner, and more responsive, using my lifetime experience as a pilot to guide my actions and my decisions.
Just to be clear, I will not receive further airline income and will not be eligible for any further accruals into any FedEx defined contribution or defined benefit retirement plan. Further, as of the date of my retirement, I have been voluntarily forgoing any distributions from any FedEx retirement plan and will continue to do so while I hold the office of ALPA President.
Article X, Section 1.A of ALPA’s Constitution and By-Laws makes clear that retirement is not an eligibility bar or concern.
As your President, I am solely invested in ALPA. Now that I’m retired from FedEx, I wanted to make it clear that I am unencumbered by any perceived loyalty to my past employer and owe my entire allegiance to this organization and its goals, and to the interests of the entire ALPA membership—not just to FedEx or any other carrier or a specific group of pilots. For example, I am going to be wholly committed to our efforts to promote the piloting profession’s agenda and protect, defend, and advance the safety and security of our industry and the careers of our pilots, whether it be with regard to the threat posed by the ME3 subsidized carriers, atypical employment arrangements, or any of the other serious challenges we face as a profession.
As your President, I have a singular focus and standard—doing what is right by all of the pilots I represent, period.
In solidarity,
Capt. Joe DePete
ALPA President
ALPA President isn’t even a current and qualified pilot......
Yesterday, 09:33 PM
Not hard to believe. And in fact true. He said this many many times throughout BOD.
Yesterday, 09:34 PM
100% accurate
Hey, "abirdytoldme," welcome to APC. I noticed your join date is the same as the date on Joe's letter -- YESTERDAY. I also noticed your first post on APC was in the JetBlue forum, the first post above, where you copied and pasted President DePete's letter and added your own editorial comment, "ALPA President isn’t even a current and qualified pilot......"
To what purpose? There are numerous good reasons why that's not only not a problem, but probably a very good thing. (And I still haven't seen anybody articulate why they think it's a bad thing.)
Anyway, I'm wondering, A) why you were motivated to join APC for what appears to be the sole purpose of stirring up trouble about the ALPA President, and, B) why you didn't post that letter here in the FedEx forum since you obviously had a copy of it already?
Your only other two posts are also there above. Looks like you're off to a good start if your objective is to sow discord and discontent.
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Originally Posted by abirdytoldme
February 1, 2019
I am writing because I know there have been some questions about my retirement from FedEx, and I want you to know my thinking as I made this difficult decision.
Flying is my passion, and I’m proud to have had the honor of being a Marine aviator, a commercial passenger pilot, and an air cargo pilot. During my more than 30 years of flying, I always felt that my colleagues were more than coworkers; they always were—and always will be—friends and family.
As I wrestled with the decision to retire, I had to take into account the fact that I will reach the FAA mandatory retirement age of 65 during the spring of the final year of my term as President and would not be able to return to line flying when my Presidency ends. In addition, it became clear that there were practical impediments to my staying current for the next three years. As a result, I came to the conclusion that retiring from FedEx now would allow me to turn all of my energies without distraction toward fulfilling my role as your President and would be the most appropriate course to best represent all ALPA members. Again, this was not an easy decision.
As ALPA President, I will remain exclusively devoted to representing all ALPA line pilots’ views, and achieving the goals of our union’s pilot-driven strategic plan. For the next four years, I intend to keep as my sole focus making ALPA stronger, leaner, and more responsive, using my lifetime experience as a pilot to guide my actions and my decisions.
Just to be clear, I will not receive further airline income and will not be eligible for any further accruals into any FedEx defined contribution or defined benefit retirement plan. Further, as of the date of my retirement, I have been voluntarily forgoing any distributions from any FedEx retirement plan and will continue to do so while I hold the office of ALPA President.
Article X, Section 1.A of ALPA’s Constitution and By-Laws makes clear that retirement is not an eligibility bar or concern.
As your President, I am solely invested in ALPA. Now that I’m retired from FedEx, I wanted to make it clear that I am unencumbered by any perceived loyalty to my past employer and owe my entire allegiance to this organization and its goals, and to the interests of the entire ALPA membership—not just to FedEx or any other carrier or a specific group of pilots. For example, I am going to be wholly committed to our efforts to promote the piloting profession’s agenda and protect, defend, and advance the safety and security of our industry and the careers of our pilots, whether it be with regard to the threat posed by the ME3 subsidized carriers, atypical employment arrangements, or any of the other serious challenges we face as a profession.
As your President, I have a singular focus and standard—doing what is right by all of the pilots I represent, period.
In solidarity,
Capt. Joe DePete
ALPA President
ALPA President isn’t even a current and qualified pilot......
Yesterday, 09:33 PM
Originally Posted by abirdytoldme
Not hard to believe. And in fact true. He said this many many times throughout BOD.
Originally Posted by abirdytoldme
100% accurate
To what purpose? There are numerous good reasons why that's not only not a problem, but probably a very good thing. (And I still haven't seen anybody articulate why they think it's a bad thing.)
Anyway, I'm wondering, A) why you were motivated to join APC for what appears to be the sole purpose of stirring up trouble about the ALPA President, and, B) why you didn't post that letter here in the FedEx forum since you obviously had a copy of it already?
Your only other two posts are also there above. Looks like you're off to a good start if your objective is to sow discord and discontent.
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02-02-2019, 07:50 PM
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Sounds like someone doesn't like the fact that Joe DePete won, and is now trolling and trying to get people riled up.
Joe is absolutely entitled to retire whenever he wants and take, or defer his pension. We all have that option, particularly those who are over 60, with 25 years of service, who can get the full retirement. And then we can also work at whatever job we choose. We can do this while getting a military pension if we earned it. We can get as many pensions and jobs as we are able, and Joe has earned his pension at FedEx (and then some), like everybody else. No reason to leave money on the table, particularly with the sick buyout and vacation payback.
I didn't understand the point of this thread, but now that I realize the purpose is just to stir up resentment, I get it.
So what's the real beef with Joe? What's the actual problem here?
Joe is absolutely entitled to retire whenever he wants and take, or defer his pension. We all have that option, particularly those who are over 60, with 25 years of service, who can get the full retirement. And then we can also work at whatever job we choose. We can do this while getting a military pension if we earned it. We can get as many pensions and jobs as we are able, and Joe has earned his pension at FedEx (and then some), like everybody else. No reason to leave money on the table, particularly with the sick buyout and vacation payback.
I didn't understand the point of this thread, but now that I realize the purpose is just to stir up resentment, I get it.
So what's the real beef with Joe? What's the actual problem here?
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