Great. The juice still tastes good after a few weeks. I suggest you listen and learn before making any decision.

It's been working there for 11 years. Why wouldn't it continue to work? Unions create costs that can ruin jetblue's consistent profitibliliy. But specifically, ALPA is a terrible excuse for a union. This is a proven statement over and over again. No emotion here, just the facts. Sorry, I know the truth hurts.

Since 1987 I have been an ALPA Member and also served on various committees as well as the MEC.

ALPA has faced change since then by representing more pilot groups of regional airlines than ever before.

As someone previously mentioned, ALPA is run as a business, and is very involved in the lobbying effort in Wash DC, (age65).

Representing JB, ALPA would provide a contract.

As we learned from previous airline failures, the ALPA contracts are sometimes vague, and open for interpretation.

JB Pilots may have another option available that would provide a contract without ALPA representation. Either an "in house union" or teamsters, ect...

From a VX guy, congrats!!

I know it sucks, but it's a necessary evil. Some say it's useless, some say it's a rip off. Bottom line, it will raises the bar for all of us, and will help protect your job (however little you might think, it will be better than the nothing we have).



Smart move, good luck with the vote!!

This may be the single most ridiculous thing I've read on this forum. Just the facts? No emotion here?? What a juvenile thing to say. ALPA has done more for the airline pilots profession than any organization in history, period. THAT is the fact. Go do some reading instead of making some blanket false statement like that.

Unions create costs that can ruin profitability? You sound like Glenn Tilton. Let's look at a present example. ALPA was recently successful in killing an amendment that would have stripped the new duty time rules of any meaningful improvement. Will the airlines costs go up with the new rules? According to them yes. Will this hurt profitability? Perhaps. So then it must be a horrible thing in the world according to Tone. I wonder how you'd feel if your family had been on the Buffalo airplane. This was worth all of our dues money.

ALPA is not perfect. I pretty much blew a gasket when they back roomed the age 65 deal. I'm also frustrated that ALPA represents groups with such competing interests, but as an organization they have done more to keep you safe in whatever cockpit you are in than anything else in history, so show a little gratitude to those who have fought for decades for your safety.

To the Midwest chap: I can certainly understand your frustration, but let me ask a question for you to chew on. Do you think it would have made any difference if your union had been in house? Do you think it would have made any difference if you'd been non union? The result would have been the same, or probably worse for you. We as labor are severly hand-tied when it comes to a lot of things in this business the way the rules and RLA are written. But that doesn't mean your union doesn't have value. I happily pay my 2% each year and wear my ALPA pin proudly, warts and all.

This is probably totally correct. But then why pay 2% to an organization that will (by your own words) not make any difference in your results?

True. But then why doesn't ALPA have RLA and NMB reform on its agenda for change? I can't find any recent ALPA documents that even mentions it. If I've missed it, I trust you'll correct me.

I'm glad for you. Others of us no longer feel that way.

Carl

First off i wish to say this is NOT an argumentative post, and i respect your input... I have to ask What Bar?, A bar of standard is only a measurement of other airlines and when succeeded becomes a target by everyone to chop down by saying costs are too high. How high of a bar is needed? Protects Job? Been at 4 airlines ALL with ALPA, no job protection there. I read that ALPA protects your job yet when we are furloughed, its retracted by saying, ALPA doesn't furlough management does, well yes but where is the protection? Im sorry, I respect your opinion, but based on my experience with ALPA on 4 different carriers, the validity of job protection or contract protection holds no water when push comes to shove. The airlines furlough when they want, and shutdown when they want, cut your pay when they want, and merge when they want. In the end, there will be a protest and maybe court actions, but I have yet to see a victory in any of these issues over the last 15 years of ALPA experience. Just my opinion and ONLY my one vote. Personally, B6 has a very good reputation with other airlines, and for a good reason which is why I and many others wanted to come here, remains profitable, is hiring and projected to continue hire. The workforce in general are good people. B6 perfect no, but not a bad place and frankly with the issues we have I just don't see the need for a union, other than personal preference or agendas. So far all i hear is speculative reasons or fear of the unknown to have a union. Again, Best of luck to all either yes or no, not trying to change anyones vote or opinion just voicing my thoughts, it won't change how i approach my job, its not a bad place to be..

Great post. Pretty sad that there are so many unhappy people out there that if you say you like your job you must be drinking some kind of juice that makes gives you that false feeling of enjoying it.

How about a B plan ?

How about decent medical ?

How about some real LOL and LTD protection ?

How about some work rules that can't be changed with a simple email ?

How about some legal services ?

Jetblue pilots have none of the above !

Your "no emotion" and "facts" are drug induced ! You need serious professional help!

TONE Wrote:

"Great post. Pretty sad that there are so many unhappy people out there that if you say you like your job you must be drinking some kind of juice that makes gives you that false feeling of enjoying it."

I'm not unhappy, but I still prefer to have a union on board. It would be great if this would be my last stop. How many in there late 20's, 30's, maybe even 40's think Jetblue will be the last stop?