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Old 08-02-2011, 05:03 AM   #1  
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For those pilots that have yet to vote in the ALPA election, please understand that if you vote YES to other/third party representation instead of NO for ALPA, your vote is basically worthless. ALPA put this option on the ballet to void your vote. If you vote this, while it is not a vote for ALPA, it's one less NO vote we have against ALPA. If the NO votes are less than the YES votes for ALPA we lose. This should not even be allowed and it's BS. Some pilots think that if they vote for third party it refers to an inhouse union. This isn't true. This is strictly a vote for or against ALPA and nothing else. Please pay attention and vote correctly. And for the record, I voted NO.

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Old 08-02-2011, 05:18 AM   #2  
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thanks pineapple guy...corrected!
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For those pilots that have yet to vote in the ALPA election, please understand that if you vote YES to other/third party representation instead of NO for ALPA, your vote is basically worthless. ALPA put this option on the ballet to void your vote. If you vote this, while it is not a vote for ALPA, it's one less NO vote we have against ALPA. If the NO votes are less than the YES votes for ALPA we lose. This should not even be allowed and it's BS. Some pilots think that if they vote for third party it refers to an inhouse union. This isn't true. This is strictly a vote for or against ALPA and nothing else. Please pay attention and vote correctly. And for the record, I voted NO.
ALPA create a dubious situation to get themselves into Jet Blue's pilots wallets ?

Say it ain't so.

ALPA's going to need a lot of money soon and they're counting on these new wallets to take a big hit and fluff up their soon to be empty coffers.

Give a lot and give often to the needy.
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"ALPA put this option on the ballet to void your vote." No, the NMB put that option on the ballot as they always allow an option for another union.

ALPA isnt perfect but its better then no representation. Notice that the option for direct relationship is no representation. Is that a coincidence? No thats how the NMB veiws it and hopefully most JetBlue pilots.
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Hey, if you don't want ALPA, just don't vote.
That is false. The rules have changed. I dont get to vote and dont really care either way, but dont spread lies either way.

If you want ALPA vote for ALPA, if you dont you must vote no. The rules have changed so only a majority of those voting is required.
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What is the general feeling on the property. Are the JetBlue pilots saying yes or no to this election?
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That is false. The rules have changed. I dont get to vote and dont really care either way, but dont spread lies either way.

If you want ALPA vote for ALPA, if you dont you must vote no. The rules have changed so only a majority of those voting is required.
Yes, it's the best way for the bankrupt elephant to get it's trunk into the Jet Blue tent. Most who vote, will probably vote "yes" and they know that. So, those disgusted who aren't interested in ALPO tend to stay away, but then the 40% who do vote, 25% of them vote "yes" and the elephant has a new pail of water to put its trunk into.

A crafty elephant it is.

I'm waiting for the Jet Blue pilots reaction to paying perhaps 4-5% of their income when dues likely skyrocket soon. $5000 is a lot of annual cash for a $100K/year captain. For $420/month, you could be making payments on a new Porsche or BMW.

What a wild show that's going to be.
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What is the general feeling on the property. Are the JetBlue pilots saying yes or no to this election?
I'd say there are a lot of apathetic ones who dont really want ALPA, but are too lazy to vote. Of course the ALPA fans are going to vote. If every pilot was required to cast a vote I dont think ALPA would pass. But, a vote only counts if you actually vote, so I think it will be really close.
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I love how people assume former TWA pilots are going to get a massive settlement which will bankrupt ALPA.
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