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Old 08-09-2011, 05:06 PM
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ELT? I give up?

If ALPO is such a great idea, why is another founding member (DAL) and UAL discussing leaving?

If I get it right ALPO now has more pilots from regionals than mainline and scope is certainly a major issue. How can they possibly pretend to rep both the mainline carrier and the regionals that are trying to take over the same flying?

Like many things... Follow the $$. ALPO wants Blu for dues, period.

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Old 08-09-2011, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by TXHillCountry View Post
Certainly the DAL and other ALPO (sic) members should be concerned about the possibility of an assessment.
True, with the caveat...eventually. If you don't think ALPA will pull out the legal stops and keep this in litigation for decades, you don't know much about the ALPA legal department.

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Like many things... Follow the $$. ALPO wants Blu for dues, period.
No kidding? A Union wants dues? What a revelation! And two whole posts to reveal it. Wow. You're some kind of labor analyst. Perhaps you should call Faux News or the Wisconsin Governor and offer your services as a consultant.

I guess you forgot to factor in what B6 pilots will get for their dues money. ALPA representation and benefits have served me and my family admirably. ALPA dues are a bargain for services provided, including the CASC, DG, AeroMedical and Legal to name a few.

It only took a decade, but there are a number of B6 guys here who were rabidly anti-Union at the outset but are now solidly in the ALPA camp.
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Old 08-11-2011, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TXHillCountry View Post
ELT? I give up?

If ALPO is such a great idea, why is another founding member (DAL) and UAL discussing leaving?

If I get it right ALPO now has more pilots from regionals than mainline and scope is certainly a major issue. How can they possibly pretend to rep both the mainline carrier and the regionals that are trying to take over the same flying?

Like many things... Follow the $$. ALPO wants Blu for dues, period.
The pilots of JB went to ALPA not the other way around...

We don't have regional flying so it's not an issue.

Like anything else in this world nothins free. Well...the PVC is free, but you get what you pay for.

ELT? Not sure what your question is there? We're an expense, plain and simple.

You lose all credibility when you call it ALPO... grow up dude.
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Old 08-12-2011, 07:15 AM
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For non-Blues: ELT equals Executive Leadership Team. Perfectly happy to spend thousands on stupid posters and postcards of sharks rather than addressing legitimate pilot issues. Told DC on my behalf that I "wanted" age 65. Listens to our jack-hole security head whom is perfectly ok with rampers having direct SIDA access while making me be screened in LAS, LGB, etc. Yep, they're really looking out for my interests...
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Old 08-14-2011, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Cleared4Option View Post
I also don't get to vote... I was hired on the other side of the turning in of the cards.

I do care with a lot of passion - this is going to affect my whole career.

I am very disappointed by the way that the whole election is being held. Every day I am subject to more and more propaganda then even during the height of the Obama-McCain election.

I have worked in graphic design... all of this copy, the emails, the posters... it's all coming from somewhere. And all of that work costs big bucks. A lot of money is being spent to 'protect' me... or at least that's what I am being told. (again, I don't get to vote... so no matter what happens, I can complain either way... a win/win) The part that I don't trust, is where someone tells me, (and spends lots of money one!) things that they are doing things for my interest, telling me they are protecting me out of my own interest. Wait! You are doing all of this for 'little ole' me'.... hmmm.... what's the catch? (I'm still asking myself that)

Here's my other problem: All of this propaganda says that the relationship that we have with the company is going to be thrown away if the union is voted in. It's like throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Does the company management think that I am not going to give my best and my all if a union is voted in? My own personal success in my career is tied to the success of the airline. I voted with my brain and my feet by coming here when I was offered a job... I am happy to be here and plan on spending the rest of my career here. I want to build a strong airline that lasts through my retirement and beyond. (since I would like to travel and bum around with my wife after I retire) I am still going to cross seatbelts, make PA's from the front, help customers, be a leader and the face of the company. I am proud to work here and I believe in the culture of the company... I want to bring humanity to air travel. I remember when there was humanity in air travel... I tried to do my level best when I was at the regionals to make every flight a great one of the passengers. It is wonderful to be at a airline where the culture supports this. I am proud to be in the trenches here.

I have been at both union (ALPA) an non-union carriers. I was treated better at a non-union carrier. At my non-union carrier I was treated like a professional - and when I had a grievance, it was handled professionally by my boss. When I screwed something up, they handled it with care and grace. When I needed time off, I got the time off to take care of my family problems. When I was being accused of untrue things (FA's gossiping to a client, trying to get me kicked out of a aircraft program) - my boss brought me into his office and said: "We can hire a FA out of a lineup at Starbucks, you have spent over ten years of hard work and sacrifice getting into your seat, we have your back." (and they did)

At my two ALPA carriers not so much... if I had a problem, I was told to grieve it. (then the committee sold the grievences for pennies on the dollar back to the company) When I had problems with management, ALPA didn't protect me. And at another carrier, it was my former ALPA rep, turned manager, that gave me a basically quasi-illegal 'warning' letter to sign from the company because the overwork and... what's that french word... Fat-i-gue was causing me to get sick every couple of months. Oh yeah, after ALPA national got all the props for negotiating a 'industry leading' contract for us... and their writeup in their magazine... the MEC started in with the givebacks.

So, am I a fan... not just no, but H-E-Double Hockey Sticks NO.

The problem, now... again... no vote for me, so I don't even get a say in my own future. But, if I did have a vote... the company is pushing me in to the Yes column with all of the propaganda. Because I know, as bad as it was... it was not all of the GLOOM and DOOM I'm being told.

I have to say that the campaign has failed. It took a guy like me and pushed him from the ambiguity column... right into the yes column. If I'm around for a base visit, and not running for a flight home, I will mention it. And tell my boss and my bosses boss... ad infinitum that hopefully they didn't follow bad advice from a bad playbook.
If ALPA loses, will you ever make captain at JB? H E Double Hockey Sticks NO, the five documents and the alter ego airline that they will allow to be created (or contracted - American Eagle) will see to that. If you haven't been at JB long enough to be able to vote, then you haven't been at JB long enough to make an informed and educated decision. H E Double Hockey Sticks, your Blue Juice High hasn't even worn off yet.

Whatever happens, happens. But if ALPA loses, don't complain when the predetermined path we're on towards a cushier relationship with AA results with you pulling a staple out of your A**!
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Old 08-15-2011, 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by whatifguy View Post
If ALPA loses, will you ever make captain at JB? H E Double Hockey Sticks NO, the five documents and the alter ego airline that they will allow to be created (or contracted - American Eagle) will see to that. If you haven't been at JB long enough to be able to vote, then you haven't been at JB long enough to make an informed and educated decision. H E Double Hockey Sticks, your Blue Juice High hasn't even worn off yet.

Whatever happens, happens. But if ALPA loses, don't complain when the predetermined path we're on towards a cushier relationship with AA results with you pulling a staple out of your A**!
I think that's the best argument of all. If you get a strong union in like ALPA, you won't have to worry about alter egojet airlines being created or being stapled twa the bottom of aa seniority list.
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Old 08-15-2011, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Duckdude View Post
I think that's the best argument of all. If you get a strong union in like ALPA, you won't have to worry about alter egojet airlines being created or being stapled twa the bottom of aa seniority list.
ALPA isn't a strong union. That's the problem. ALPA is an efficient money pump....they have that mastered.
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Old 08-15-2011, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TXHillCountry View Post
ELT? I give up?

If ALPO is such a great idea, why is another founding member (DAL) and UAL discussing leaving?

If I get it right ALPO now has more pilots from regionals than mainline and scope is certainly a major issue. How can they possibly pretend to rep both the mainline carrier and the regionals that are trying to take over the same flying?

Like many things... Follow the $$. ALPO wants Blu for dues, period.
First of all, a very small percentage of DAL pilots are talking of leaving ALPA. Out of 12,300+ pilots, DPA has received roughly 3400 cards. It's likely many are submitting them just to rattle sabres at ALPA.

Secondly, ALPA does NOT have more Regional pilot members then Mainline pilot members. Mainline ALPA members outnumber Regional members.

As far as the conflict of interest goes, with this age of large RJ's and their lift/range capability I have a hard time arguing against it.
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Old 08-16-2011, 06:00 AM
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The vote closes today. How and when will the results be announced?
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Old 08-16-2011, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by OleDawg View Post
The vote closes today. How and when will the results be announced?
The results will be known to the NMB immediately. They will let the company and ALPA know right away. I expect to see an email from the company and or organizing committee by 11:30 or 12:00.
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