Chuck D

No personal offense RPC, but I don't see this as a "joke" any more than the way the RPC was presented as a voting option way back.

As a rank and file RAH pilot willing to listen with open ears to any unifying group, seeing the way the RPC option was floated, at the very last minute, and with zero visible support from the RAH side, it shouldn't be a surprise that many of us were at least a little suspect of the whole venture. Had you found even one or two of our pilots to support the idea vocally prior to the vote, and alongside you, perhaps what you offered wouldn't seem like a veiled attempt to forestall any sort of integration process. But you had to know that, as you seem reasonably intelligent.

So, that being said, the RPC in its offered form was simply a non-starter, as evidenced by the vote. No point in revisiting it ad nauseum.

Given the strides we all have to make to improve contracts (yes, yours also) it would seem like a heck of a waste of time to keep digging this up. Let's move on to more important things.

BusSkyflyer

So what needs to be improved in our contract?

Chuck D

Nothing. Disregard. It's perfect.

G-Dog

Better yet, what do think needs improving to the Frontier contract? Or are you willing to give up all bargaining rights because your contract is good? I would never compare a RAH contact(sucky) to a F9 contract(less sucky), but there is always room for improvement, right?

ATCsaidDoWhat

Yeah, it IS a joke. AFA went to the IBT, sat down and ACTED LIKE ADULTS and said, "Let's work together and make this work for everyone." FAPA went in and said, "here's our list of DEMANDS."

You know...FAPA...Failed Airline Pilots Association...representing a group of pilots at a bankrupt airline that was headed down the Chapter 7 chute...who made the same DEMANDS with Southwest. We saw how good you did there too.

You whined about the election, yet could have joined the IBT and put your own slate together. But you didn't because you, "wouldn't have a chance of getting one of your own elected." Yet a Midwest guy won.

To keep hearing your sad sob story reminds me of the preacher who was made at the Lord. Seems a flood was coming. When the water was rising, a sherriff came and the preacher said "nope, the Lord will save me." When the water was at the church steps, a boat and a boat came, he said "nope, the Lord will save me." When the preacher was on the roof with the water still rising, a helicopter came and he said, "no, the Lord will save me."

When he was swept away and died, he got to the Pearly Gates and was PO'd. Blew past St. Peter and demanded the Lord explain why he didn't save him; a man of the cloth.

The Lord looked down and said, "damn brother...I sent you a sherriff, a boat and a helicopter...what more did you want?"

You guys are like the preacher. Every time a hand of friendship has been offered to you, it gets slapped back and then you complain it wasn't good enough. Then you sold out every pilot in this industry by giving away the store with concessions and you still want to cry "victim."

slumav505

generally orange slices are given away at halftime of kids soccer games. Since you guys act like children more often than not figured it might be a good break.

And yes, the RAH CBA does require one list, which also requires one contract and one bargaining agent. You lost, IBT won. Pay your dues, vote on the issues and get involved. The FAPA lanyards are cute and all but it's time to face the facts. Something you seem willing to do on your terms when it benefits you.

sizzlechest

Keep in mind that IBT and AFA was only looking to add lynx F/As to the single carrier. NMB came back and added F9 to the single carrier. They pretty much got the same status that the pilots did. Now AFA and IBT were surprised at that result and they decided to try and figure out what it all meant. they didn't want to do too much while the threat of a pilot strike looms. i would say that the co-effort is more a response to an event as opposed to a planned event. Reactive rather than pro-active.

Off topic: take a minute and look at that abortion of an AFA contract.... they got jacked by BB for sure...he|| they only got 50% DH when IBT7357 has 75% DH!!!

FAULTPUSH

That's funny. You're implying that our contract is sucky? Based on IBT's record at other airlines, I don't see them improving ours.

Let me try the same thing:
Frontier flight attendants make more per hour than yours. Therefore AFA is better than IBT.

Can you quote the contract language that says that? I'm thinking that you're misinformed, but please correct me if you're not.

That's the pot calling the kettle black, given the $37 limit on your FO pay, and that (to the best of my knowledge) our pilots currently make more than EVERY IBT represented airline flying similar equipment, and more than some ALPA-represented legacy carriers.

Once again, you arrogance is nauseating. First, you (or one of you RAH cohorts) implied that airplane size is somehow correlated to a pilot's worth, and now you're saying that all pilots of bankrupt airlines are morally reprehensible, as if you are somehow superior to them because you've had the luck (and lack of time in the industry?) to not have experienced that. I've seen Ch 7 and 11 in my time.

F9 Driver

With friends like you who needs enemies?

"Luke, The revisionist history is strong in this one!"

ridered

Pretty simple $$$$$$$$$$$$ IBT will lose this election and national will lose it's funding so a joint council suddenly makes sense.........