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APC225 04-08-2017 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG (Post 2338924)
You may not have to answer, but there are situations you are required to acknowledge an assignment made prior to 1800 on LDO. Sometimes the company shall advise a pilot which is done with a voice mail, sometimes not, they can just place it in your schedule. If the assignment was made prior to 1800, then you must establish two way contact or they will call at 0001.

I recommend all RSV experts on this forum sit down and read 20-K and 20-I-6 of the contract a few times. Then read it a few more times.

You get a CDW at 1800 on LDO for a reason. It is duty and starts 30/168 clock running or interrupts a time free from duty. If you have an assignment placed prior to 1800 you have to acknowledge which then satisfies the two way contact requirements.

And for SC or FSB, there is no automated check in available.

Lee

Good info. And there is little liability to calling after 1800 to do the required acknowledgment of a reserve assignment. If they used this two-way contact to make a different asssignment the earliest it could be would be 1200 according to the UPA. But no contact before 1800. Technique: only acknowledge a flying assignment in CCS, and call to acknowledge a reserve assignment as close to, but after, 1800 as you can because once you acknowledge it you're released to the assignment. You don't have to answer phone and, if other assignments come open after 1800 you're not contactable for them.

Andy 04-08-2017 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 2337820)
You know what???????


Just a month or two ago, right here on this United page, right here on APC. Some ignoramuses made a comment as to the effect that we don't need to fix reserve BECAUSE anybody who's on reserve did it to themselves therefore deserve what they get. My point EXACTLY was that; NO!! sometimes when things aren't good with the airline industry that you can become totally accidentally a reserve guy for a LONG LONG time against your will. That is why reserve needs to be fixed.

Since I being hired in 2000, I've held a line ~8 months total. Maybe as high as 10 months. I'd definitely like to see reserve improvements. But I'll say this one more time: what one reserve considers to be an onerous reserve rule, many times there's another reserve who loves that rule. So while 'fixing' reserve sounds great, different reserve pilots are going to want different 'fixes' to reserve.

An example of this is short call. Commuters hate it. Locals LOVE it. And the current LC to SC conversion is more lucrative than the old pure LC or SC lines, especially since scheduling has found SC to be more flexible than LC.

There aren't many (any?) no-cost changes to reserve that will be considered improvements by everyone.

Otters 04-09-2017 07:21 AM

I'm local and I hate SC. The list of reasons is too long to list. I get it. Some may disagree with me. And your right, if you don't live local, you might as well move. There's very few days outside of flying days where I do not sit SC.

bigfatdaddy 04-09-2017 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by Otters (Post 2339303)
I'm local and I hate SC. The list of reasons is too long to list. I get it. Some may disagree with me. And your right, if you don't live local, you might as well move. There's very few days outside of flying days where I do not sit SC.

If I may ask what fleet/base/domicile are you on? I am able to control my sc days through agressive pickup, often most of my reserve period is long call. 777/ORD

buscappy 04-09-2017 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by bigfatdaddy (Post 2339366)
If I may ask what fleet/base/domicile are you on? I am able to control my sc days through agressive pickup, often most of my reserve period is long call. 777/ORD

anyone know how the pilot lingo picked up the word "aggressive" in picking up trips that are open? consulting several dictionaries, one finds: angry, threatening, forcefully, menacing, militant. i know guys on reserve can get like this on the forum 😂😂 but are y'all really being aggressive with the poor crew schedulers ? or just proactive?

APC225 04-09-2017 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by buscappy (Post 2339404)
anyone know how the pilot lingo picked up the word "aggressive" in picking up trips that are open? consulting several dictionaries, one finds: angry, threatening, forcefully, menacing, militant. i know guys on reserve can get like this on the forum ���� but are y'all really being aggressive with the poor crew schedulers ? or just proactive?

It's an official UPA term. Pilot initiated.

"20-K-8 Aggressive Pick-Up. A Reserve may pick-up an assignment on a first-come first-served basis"

It has different provisions than if assigned by scheduling. For instance, if assigned by scheduling you're released from a current SC. But,

"20-K-8-f If a Short Call Reserve aggressively picks up a Trip for the following day, he must remain telephone available for the duration of the current Short Call assignment"

buscappy 04-09-2017 04:19 PM

ahh thanks

i think next round they should change it to proactive pickup. aggressiveness does not comport with the working together guidelines ;)

ugleeual 04-09-2017 04:25 PM

I believe Aggressive Pickups are against United's Flying Together Guidelines... just sayin.

Lurchi 04-09-2017 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 2339144)
Since I being hired in 2000, I've held a line ~8 months total. Maybe as high as 10 months. I'd definitely like to see reserve improvements. But I'll say this one more time: what one reserve considers to be an onerous reserve rule, many times there's another reserve who loves that rule. So while 'fixing' reserve sounds great, different reserve pilots are going to want different 'fixes' to.

I'm confused....flying for 17 yrs and been on reserve for all but 8 months....was that a typo? I haven't started training yet, but as a planned commuter to SFO im hoping to get off reserve and hold a line in 6 months....am I being overly optimistic? 17 yrs of reserve and I think I would look for a cliff to jump off.

Probe 04-09-2017 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by Lurchi (Post 2339582)
I'm confused....flying for 17 yrs and been on reserve for all but 8 months....was that a typo? I haven't started training yet, but as a planned commuter to SFO im hoping to get off reserve and hold a line in 6 months....am I being overly optimistic? 17 yrs of reserve and I think I would look for a cliff to jump off.

When Andy was hired, he could expect to be off reserve in 1-2 months. Unfortunately for many it didn't work out that way.

The very same thing could happen again. Hopefully not.

When I was hired as a 727 FE many of my Captains had only been a Capt for a couple of years. They had been FE's themselves for 17 years, FO's for 2 years, and then Captains.

You never know how it is going to turn out.


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