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Old 04-09-2017 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Otters
I'm local and I hate SC. The list of reasons is too long to list. I get it. Some may disagree with me. And your right, if you don't live local, you might as well move. There's very few days outside of flying days where I do not sit SC.
If I may ask what fleet/base/domicile are you on? I am able to control my sc days through agressive pickup, often most of my reserve period is long call. 777/ORD
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Old 04-09-2017 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by bigfatdaddy
If I may ask what fleet/base/domicile are you on? I am able to control my sc days through agressive pickup, often most of my reserve period is long call. 777/ORD
anyone know how the pilot lingo picked up the word "aggressive" in picking up trips that are open? consulting several dictionaries, one finds: angry, threatening, forcefully, menacing, militant. i know guys on reserve can get like this on the forum 😂😂 but are y'all really being aggressive with the poor crew schedulers ? or just proactive?
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Old 04-09-2017 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by buscappy
anyone know how the pilot lingo picked up the word "aggressive" in picking up trips that are open? consulting several dictionaries, one finds: angry, threatening, forcefully, menacing, militant. i know guys on reserve can get like this on the forum ���� but are y'all really being aggressive with the poor crew schedulers ? or just proactive?
It's an official UPA term. Pilot initiated.

"20-K-8 Aggressive Pick-Up. A Reserve may pick-up an assignment on a first-come first-served basis"

It has different provisions than if assigned by scheduling. For instance, if assigned by scheduling you're released from a current SC. But,

"20-K-8-f If a Short Call Reserve aggressively picks up a Trip for the following day, he must remain telephone available for the duration of the current Short Call assignment"
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Old 04-09-2017 | 04:19 PM
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ahh thanks

i think next round they should change it to proactive pickup. aggressiveness does not comport with the working together guidelines
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Old 04-09-2017 | 04:25 PM
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I believe Aggressive Pickups are against United's Flying Together Guidelines... just sayin.
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Old 04-09-2017 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Since I being hired in 2000, I've held a line ~8 months total. Maybe as high as 10 months. I'd definitely like to see reserve improvements. But I'll say this one more time: what one reserve considers to be an onerous reserve rule, many times there's another reserve who loves that rule. So while 'fixing' reserve sounds great, different reserve pilots are going to want different 'fixes' to.
I'm confused....flying for 17 yrs and been on reserve for all but 8 months....was that a typo? I haven't started training yet, but as a planned commuter to SFO im hoping to get off reserve and hold a line in 6 months....am I being overly optimistic? 17 yrs of reserve and I think I would look for a cliff to jump off.
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Old 04-09-2017 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Lurchi
I'm confused....flying for 17 yrs and been on reserve for all but 8 months....was that a typo? I haven't started training yet, but as a planned commuter to SFO im hoping to get off reserve and hold a line in 6 months....am I being overly optimistic? 17 yrs of reserve and I think I would look for a cliff to jump off.
When Andy was hired, he could expect to be off reserve in 1-2 months. Unfortunately for many it didn't work out that way.

The very same thing could happen again. Hopefully not.

When I was hired as a 727 FE many of my Captains had only been a Capt for a couple of years. They had been FE's themselves for 17 years, FO's for 2 years, and then Captains.

You never know how it is going to turn out.
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Old 04-09-2017 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by buscappy
ahh thanks

i think next round they should change it to proactive pickup. aggressiveness does not comport with the working together guidelines
Need a safe space?
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Old 04-09-2017 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Lurchi
I'm confused....flying for 17 yrs and been on reserve for all but 8 months....was that a typo? I haven't started training yet, but as a planned commuter to SFO im hoping to get off reserve and hold a line in 6 months....am I being overly optimistic? 17 yrs of reserve and I think I would look for a cliff to jump off.
Hmmm. Not familiar with what happened to the airline industry over the last couple of decades?

Hired 2000, furloughed 2002.
Recalled 2007, stayed on mil leave until 2008.
Went out on mil leave in 2009 before being furloughed.
Furloughed while on mil leave.
Recalled to the LCAL side in 2012.
Out on LTD in 2013
Returned to flying in 2015.

So a total of a bit more than 5 years on reserve, with large breaks for extended vacations.
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Old 04-09-2017 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Lurchi
I'm confused....flying for 17 yrs and been on reserve for all but 8 months....was that a typo? I haven't started training yet, but as a planned commuter to SFO im hoping to get off reserve and hold a line in 6 months....am I being overly optimistic? 17 yrs of reserve and I think I would look for a cliff to jump off.
Flew with someone who had been out 14 years. Continuous. Delayed returning from the first recall as long possible, then took maternity leave. By the time she could return they were already furloughing again. Took a recall in 2014.
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