rp2pilot

Yes, this thread is getting tiresome. I don't think any of the threads really addresses why flight time, lots of flight time, is important. When I was a 23 years old newly winged Naval Aviator, I probably was near the top of my stick / rudder skills. A few years in the fleet and I really was at the top of my flying ability. What I lacked, however, were those hundreds of "gee, I wouldn't do that again" moments. I'm sure these CFI's can physically fly a raw data ILS, but I am certain they lack the depth of experience to understand what's important and what's not. As they say, you can't sweat the small stuff because you won't have anything left for the big stuff. The experience tells you the difference between the two.

PDRit

They hired the 570, with many of them having lower qualifications than what other airlines were hiring at the time.

They hired the low time guys in the 60's, Tracey Aces in the 40's and the EEOC hires starting in 88. Some of the EEOC hires were 250 hour wonders.

We may not be close but to find the regional pilot and the military with the proper attitude be a new hire may be getting harder. Talk to the pilots that conduct interviews. The stories are eye opening.

We have hired extremely low time pilots in the past and the company has still posted a strong safety record. I would not hit the panic button on safety just yet.

If you don't like the CFI CPP program then you are free voice your opinion. But what is the big difference between them and many of the interns we have hired in the past?

John Carr

Cool first post....

Apples to oranges on the 570. And the lawsuit was mandated.

Was there a legal ruling on the CPP that said they had to be hired?

And yet good guys can’t even get a HPI and people we’ve all flown with that suck continue to get in....

If you read/keep up with all the threads on this you’d see you simply waisted key strokes with that last bit.

PDRit

I read a bit now and then. What I notice is your posts always seem to me that you are on the outside looking in, pretending to be a UAL pilot. You definitely grind your axe on UAL hiring threads

Some of us flew various airplane sims for the checks on interviews, to the current group not flying at all. Should those that busted the sim be upset that the interview changed?

Things are always changing. UAL is trying to get ahead of a hiring issue that is near. All those RJ pilots, while "qualified" may not be guys you would want to sit next to for a 6 day W. Sure they fly UAX passengers day in and day out, but that is a result of the contract their company has with UAL. It could easily be DL or AA pax.

Everyone is doing something to hedge on the future. DL with their program, AA with Eagle and even Spirit with GOJET. UAL gets a better filter with the guy that is trained from day one in the UAL way.

I still don't see the difference between them and an intern with min time that was hired as a plumber. Many of them didn't make their first landing in a jet until after they completed probation and bid to the FO seat.

John Carr

Nope, Just lucky to make while like others, frustrated by those not selected. CV era seemed better, BK seemed all over the place. Like I mentioned, read the threads.

We all can’t have thoughts/opinions? Like 75Driver, Huggy, Airhoss

That relates how?

Right, just like the U2 pilot discussed, F16 pilot discussed, LCC CA discussed,, etc etc etc....

With that you just proved how ignorant you are of the various CPP’s

Cool second post, Good job creating a profile to grind your axe with me, thanks for playing, good day.....

Cgull2016

Find a safe place and your trophy. I would rather have 2 good post than the 2,000 tear fest posts you’ve created.

Good day and hope you can see a bright spot in your career at some point before it’s over.

John Carr

I want a trophy because I successfully triggered/offended a couple SNAP/snowflakes into making their first posts on APC.

baseball

[QUOTE=PDRit;2527715

Things are always changing. UAL is trying to get ahead of a hiring issue that is near. All those RJ pilots, while "qualified" may not be guys you would want to sit next to for a 6 day W. [/QUOTE]

I disagree.

Those RJ pilots in the left seat for a few years deserve a shot. I don't know what makes you say they may not be guys you would want to sit next to for a 6 day W trip.

That statement is obtuse and subjective. No way for anyone to know that. But, for sure, someone is sitting next to them for their standard 4 day domestic trip. Someone has been giving them passing marks on their SIM checks, recurrent, and line checks. So, they have been doing it right and if they have a good safety and reliability record then that sure does put them far ahead of any CFI I have ever met.

baseball

I am glad you mentioned that program.

I have had 2 former students in the 90's that got internships. They were undeserving and underqualified. They ended up getting hired (ahead of the normal experience-maturation process), and it took a very long time for them to get through training and continually required more help adapting and adjusting to the profession and to the operation.


So....What's wrong with going out and paying your dues? Part of the "I want it now" generation... Seems that this generation is now setting up shop in the hiring department.

Stop all these "special programs." Go out and work for it. No more short-cuts already. Go earn it. Go learn it. Bernie's "feel the burn" folks all want it now without working for it. It's now in the aviation profession.

krudawg

The thing about interns getting hired with very low time has always been a sore spot for me; maybe because I wish I had the same opportunity. Over the years, I can't ever say that the low-time intern were horrible pilots. They tended to recognize their exceptional good luck and worked hard to make sure they fit "in" and perform better than their low-time skills would indicate. This CFI CPP program seems to be an attempt by the company to balance out the issue of losing large groups of retiring experienced pilots. Back in the day, I remember flying with some very experienced Captains who created such a negative cockpit environment with their huge egos and unpleasant disposition that was a lot more unsafe than any low-time intern.